Hutt, P.C. George Henry

[Rob Clack]

For those of you who don't follow the City Beat articles Neil and me do for Ripperologist, we published in the latest edition (110) a possible photograph of P.C. George Henry Hutt. We can't say for definite that it is Hutt (I'm about 99% certain myself) but here's the photo in question.



Rob

[Monty]

And Im 99.9 % certain.

Monty

[lynn cates]

photo

Hello Rob. And I can even see this chap having that exchange with Kate--see the merry mischief in his eye? A right proper old ****.

That photo of PC Harvey was great too. I was wondering, by the way, if you could answer a question about his photo. You will see it on the thread I started yesterday on PC Harvey.

The best.
LC

[lynn cates]

male chicken

Hello. The last post had the word for male chicken edited. Blasted machine must think that word is bad. Now Dickens can no longer have Tiny Tim be a cocksparrow.

That's progress for you.

Cheers.
LC

[Monty]

Lynn

Just to clarify, PC Harvey was identified by Stewart Evans and Don Rumbelow and announced in their book Scotland Yard Investigates.

Nothing to do with Rob and I.

With regards you question, let me reply on Harveys thread.

Cheers
Monty

[ChrisGeorge]

For those of you who don't follow the City Beat articles Neil and me do for Ripperologist, we published in the latest edition (110) a possible photograph of P.C. George Henry Hutt. We can't say for definite that it is Hutt (I'm about 99% certain myself) but here's the photo in question.

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Rob

Hi Rob

I would like to say that facially, I should say that the man depicted, who appears to show somewhat of a twinkle in his eye, might seem to fit the personality of the man that we know as "The Police Poet" as discussed in your excellent article in the current issue of Ripperologist. Good work by you and Neil on further illuminating the lives of the various policemen involved in the case. Bravo. Fine work by Stewart in helping you to identify this man as P.C. George H. Hutt.

Chris

[Monty]

Hi Chris,

The identity really was based on his collar number, and Harvey.

This photo is taken from the 1887 Snow Hill Group Photo, in which Stewart and Don identified Harvey, not Hutt.

Now Harveys collar number is as was in 1888, so its logical to assume Hutt had not changed his number also.

Below is a picture of Hutt with the collar number highlighted.

[ChrisGeorge]

Hi Chris,

The identity really was based on his collar number, and Harvey.

This photo is taken from the 1887 Snow Hill Group Photo, in which Stewart and Don identified Harvey, not Hutt.

Now Harveys collar number is as was in 1888, so its logical to assume Hutt had not changed his number also.

Below is a picture of Hutt with the collar number highlighted.

Hi Neil

I understand exactly what you are saying, which I knew already from your article, though I gather you need to clarify this for others on the forum. Still, as I put it in my last post in this thread, the character shown in that face is consistent, to my mind, with what I perceive to be the type of person I would expect P.C. Hutt to be based on his writings.

Best regards

Chris George

[Rob Clack]

Hi Rob

I would like to say that facially, I should say that the man depicted, who appears to show somewhat of a twinkle in his eye, might seem to fit the personality of the man that we know as "The Police Poet" as discussed in your excellent article in the current issue of Ripperologist. Good work by you and Neil on further illuminating the lives of the various policemen involved in the case. Bravo. Fine work by Stewart in helping you to identify this man as P.C. George H. Hutt.

Chris

Thanks for the kind words Chris, I just need to clarify that besides Stewart's help with the photo we also had the opinions of Paul Begg, Richard Jones, Robert J McLaughlin, Adam Wood, John Bennett and Debs on the photo as well and there help was appreciated.

Rob

[ChrisGeorge]

Thanks for the kind words Chris, I just need to clarify that besides Stewart's help with the photo we also had the opinions of Paul Begg, Richard Jones, Robert J McLaughlin, Adam Wood, John Bennett and Debs on the photo as well and there help was appreciated.

Rob

What do you call a collection of Ripperologists? A "knives drawer" of Ripperologists, perhaps?

C

[Monty]

Thanks for the kind words Chris, I just need to clarify that besides Stewart's help with the photo we also had the opinions of Paul Begg, Richard Jones, Robert J McLaughlin, Adam Wood, John Bennett and Debs on the photo as well and there help was appreciated.

Rob

Yes indeed Rob, their valued opinions certainly contributed.

Many thanks all.

Monty

[Scott Nelson]

Yes, very good work gents. Now can somebody tackle the rest of the photo - specifically the two heavy-set gentlemen in civilian clothing sitting in chairs at the end? ...Likely the Divisional Surgeons of the City Force.

[Rob Clack]

I think they might be C.I.D Inspectors Scott, the D.C's and D.S's sitting on the ground.

[Scott Nelson]

and those two guys sitting on either side of Superintendent Foster should be identified. I don't think one is Superintendent McWilliam. Or one could be the 41 year-old Inspector Edward Collard. But which one?

[Monty]

Scott,

The problem with CID officers Scott is the lack of collar numbers.

All we have is the physical descriptions of the officers when they joined and left. And believe me,as Rob will testify, those description could cover up to 8 men in that black and white photo.

Monty