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  • Rob Clack
    Inactive
    • Feb 2008
    • 1708

    #1

    Hutt, P.C. George Henry

    For those of you who don't follow the City Beat articles Neil and me do for Ripperologist, we published in the latest edition (110) a possible photograph of P.C. George Henry Hutt. We can't say for definite that it is Hutt (I'm about 99% certain myself) but here's the photo in question.

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  • Monty
    Commissioner
    • Feb 2008
    • 5414

    #2
    And Im 99.9 % certain.

    Monty
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    • lynn cates
      Commisioner
      • Aug 2009
      • 13841

      #3
      photo

      Hello Rob. And I can even see this chap having that exchange with Kate--see the merry mischief in his eye? A right proper old ****.

      That photo of PC Harvey was great too. I was wondering, by the way, if you could answer a question about his photo. You will see it on the thread I started yesterday on PC Harvey.

      The best.
      LC

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      • lynn cates
        Commisioner
        • Aug 2009
        • 13841

        #4
        male chicken

        Hello. The last post had the word for male chicken edited. Blasted machine must think that word is bad. Now Dickens can no longer have Tiny Tim be a cocksparrow.

        That's progress for you.

        Cheers.
        LC

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        • Monty
          Commissioner
          • Feb 2008
          • 5414

          #5
          Lynn

          Just to clarify, PC Harvey was identified by Stewart Evans and Don Rumbelow and announced in their book Scotland Yard Investigates.

          Nothing to do with Rob and I.

          With regards you question, let me reply on Harveys thread.

          Cheers
          Monty
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          • ChrisGeorge
            Chief Inspector
            • Apr 2008
            • 1625

            #6
            Originally posted by Rob Clack View Post
            For those of you who don't follow the City Beat articles Neil and me do for Ripperologist, we published in the latest edition (110) a possible photograph of P.C. George Henry Hutt. We can't say for definite that it is Hutt (I'm about 99% certain myself) but here's the photo in question.

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            Rob
            Hi Rob

            I would like to say that facially, I should say that the man depicted, who appears to show somewhat of a twinkle in his eye, might seem to fit the personality of the man that we know as "The Police Poet" as discussed in your excellent article in the current issue of Ripperologist. Good work by you and Neil on further illuminating the lives of the various policemen involved in the case. Bravo. Fine work by Stewart in helping you to identify this man as P.C. George H. Hutt.

            Chris
            Christopher T. George
            Organizer, RipperCon #JacktheRipper-#True Crime Conference
            just held in Baltimore, April 7-8, 2018.
            For information about RipperCon, go to http://rippercon.com/
            RipperCon 2018 talks can now be heard at http://www.casebook.org/podcast/

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            • Monty
              Commissioner
              • Feb 2008
              • 5414

              #7
              Hi Chris,

              The identity really was based on his collar number, and Harvey.

              This photo is taken from the 1887 Snow Hill Group Photo, in which Stewart and Don identified Harvey, not Hutt.

              Now Harveys collar number is as was in 1888, so its logical to assume Hutt had not changed his number also.

              Below is a picture of Hutt with the collar number highlighted.
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              Monty

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              http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/aw/d/1445621622

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              • ChrisGeorge
                Chief Inspector
                • Apr 2008
                • 1625

                #8
                Originally posted by Monty View Post
                Hi Chris,

                The identity really was based on his collar number, and Harvey.

                This photo is taken from the 1887 Snow Hill Group Photo, in which Stewart and Don identified Harvey, not Hutt.

                Now Harveys collar number is as was in 1888, so its logical to assume Hutt had not changed his number also.

                Below is a picture of Hutt with the collar number highlighted.
                Hi Neil

                I understand exactly what you are saying, which I knew already from your article, though I gather you need to clarify this for others on the forum. Still, as I put it in my last post in this thread, the character shown in that face is consistent, to my mind, with what I perceive to be the type of person I would expect P.C. Hutt to be based on his writings.

                Best regards

                Chris George
                Christopher T. George
                Organizer, RipperCon #JacktheRipper-#True Crime Conference
                just held in Baltimore, April 7-8, 2018.
                For information about RipperCon, go to http://rippercon.com/
                RipperCon 2018 talks can now be heard at http://www.casebook.org/podcast/

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                • Rob Clack
                  Inactive
                  • Feb 2008
                  • 1708

                  #9
                  Originally posted by ChrisGeorge View Post
                  Hi Rob

                  I would like to say that facially, I should say that the man depicted, who appears to show somewhat of a twinkle in his eye, might seem to fit the personality of the man that we know as "The Police Poet" as discussed in your excellent article in the current issue of Ripperologist. Good work by you and Neil on further illuminating the lives of the various policemen involved in the case. Bravo. Fine work by Stewart in helping you to identify this man as P.C. George H. Hutt.

                  Chris
                  Thanks for the kind words Chris, I just need to clarify that besides Stewart's help with the photo we also had the opinions of Paul Begg, Richard Jones, Robert J McLaughlin, Adam Wood, John Bennett and Debs on the photo as well and there help was appreciated.

                  Rob

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                  • ChrisGeorge
                    Chief Inspector
                    • Apr 2008
                    • 1625

                    #10
                    Originally posted by Rob Clack View Post
                    Thanks for the kind words Chris, I just need to clarify that besides Stewart's help with the photo we also had the opinions of Paul Begg, Richard Jones, Robert J McLaughlin, Adam Wood, John Bennett and Debs on the photo as well and there help was appreciated.

                    Rob
                    What do you call a collection of Ripperologists? A "knives drawer" of Ripperologists, perhaps?

                    C
                    Christopher T. George
                    Organizer, RipperCon #JacktheRipper-#True Crime Conference
                    just held in Baltimore, April 7-8, 2018.
                    For information about RipperCon, go to http://rippercon.com/
                    RipperCon 2018 talks can now be heard at http://www.casebook.org/podcast/

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                    • Monty
                      Commissioner
                      • Feb 2008
                      • 5414

                      #11
                      Originally posted by Rob Clack View Post
                      Thanks for the kind words Chris, I just need to clarify that besides Stewart's help with the photo we also had the opinions of Paul Begg, Richard Jones, Robert J McLaughlin, Adam Wood, John Bennett and Debs on the photo as well and there help was appreciated.

                      Rob
                      Yes indeed Rob, their valued opinions certainly contributed.

                      Many thanks all.

                      Monty
                      Monty

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                      http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/aw/d/1445621622

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                      • Scott Nelson
                        Superintendent
                        • Feb 2008
                        • 2428

                        #12
                        Yes, very good work gents. Now can somebody tackle the rest of the photo - specifically the two heavy-set gentlemen in civilian clothing sitting in chairs at the end? ...Likely the Divisional Surgeons of the City Force.

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                        • Rob Clack
                          Inactive
                          • Feb 2008
                          • 1708

                          #13
                          I think they might be C.I.D Inspectors Scott, the D.C's and D.S's sitting on the ground.

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                          • Scott Nelson
                            Superintendent
                            • Feb 2008
                            • 2428

                            #14
                            and those two guys sitting on either side of Superintendent Foster should be identified. I don't think one is Superintendent McWilliam. Or one could be the 41 year-old Inspector Edward Collard. But which one?

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                            • Monty
                              Commissioner
                              • Feb 2008
                              • 5414

                              #15
                              Scott,

                              The problem with CID officers Scott is the lack of collar numbers.

                              All we have is the physical descriptions of the officers when they joined and left. And believe me,as Rob will testify, those description could cover up to 8 men in that black and white photo.

                              Monty
                              Monty

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                              Author of Capturing Jack the Ripper.

                              http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/aw/d/1445621622

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