Did The Ripper Remove Organs?

[Herlock Sholmes]

22-0 still close I see

[Herlock Sholmes]

I think it is you need to take the blinkers off and read and digest the many replies I have made to your posts, you clearly do not know what goes on at a post mortem and following the post mortem. I do I have attended many in my time.

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You haven’t confronted a single point. I’m sick and tired of wasting time with you Trevor.

FACT - Organ thieves normal practice would have been to take organs AFTER any PM (should one have been due to be performed). If you can’t understand why this HAS to have been the case then you are beyond hope.

FACT - Any potential organ thieves CANNOT POSSIBLY have known if any doctor had or hadn’t noted the presence of the uterus (and we know that doctors had seen the body). This wouldn’t have been particularly difficult to see in an open abdomen with intestines removed.

FACT - As the above is patently the case then organ thieves would have been taking a huge risk in taking an organ that a doctor might previously have seen still in the abdomen.

FACT - The above risk, which could have meant that the Golden Lane mortuary would have no longer been a possible source of organs, was ABSOLUTELY UNNECESSARY as they had no need to take it. They could simply have taken the organs after the PM after which no one would have looked at the body and therefore eliminating the very obvious risk that every member of this Forum and the human race can see and understand except for you apparently.

[Trevor Marriott]

You are the absolute master of claiming that your opinions are facts. Why did he go to the mortuary then? A cup of tea? A game of cards? Or, knowing that the police would have wanted at least some information to work on as soon as possible, he might have had another look at the corpse under better conditions than in Mitre Square.

The difference between me and you is that I’m not claiming the above as a fact….only a possible. You are the one claiming as a fact that he just turned up at the mortuary but didn’t look at the body.

Big difference. One reasonable one unreasonable.

He went to the mortuary at the request of Dr Brown to view the body he didn't arrive till 2pm just in time for the post mortem and as the body had been left in situ for many hours at the mortuary before the post mortem the body could easily have been tampered with during that time.

What don't you understand about that?

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[Trevor Marriott]

You are the only person not grasping this obvious point Trevor. It’s shown by the fact that 22 others see it but only you can’t. Then again Trevor, I’m doubting whether you can’t actually understand it as I think that, as per usual, you will defend a discredited theory no matter what. The theory exists only in your head and there are very good reasons why no one agrees with you.

I think it is you need to take the blinkers off and read and digest the many replies I have made to your posts, you clearly do not know what goes on at a post mortem and following the post mortem. I do I have attended many in my time.

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[Herlock Sholmes]

and what did he find ? nothing, because they didn't make any examination of the body till later in the day

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You are the absolute master of claiming that your opinions are facts. Why did he go to the mortuary then? A cup of tea? A game of cards? Or, knowing that the police would have wanted at least some information to work on as soon as possible, he might have had another look at the corpse under better conditions than in Mitre Square.

The difference between me and you is that I’m not claiming the above as a fact….only a possible. You are the one claiming as a fact that he just turned up at the mortuary but didn’t look at the body.

Big difference. One reasonable one unreasonable.

[Herlock Sholmes]

Originally posted by Herlock Sholmes View Post
The victim had an open abdomen. Intestines had been pulled out. Doctors had seen the body. It was known that organs were missing from Chapman (hence Brown requesting Phillips presence)

It’s not a case of what we don’t know Trevor. It’s a case of what organ thieves didn’t know. And what they couldn’t possibly have known is that by the time that they allegedly got to the body they couldn’t have known if the doctors had already seen that the uterus was still in place or not. Please read this again Trevor…..they couldn’t have known whether this was the case or not.

There was a mortuary attendant who would have opened the mortuary if he was corrupt he would have clearly have known the condition of the body and whether or not organs had been removed by the killer

So a) you are stating that unskilled mortuary attendants like Robert Mann were sufficiently knowledgeable on anatomy to have been able to check for the presence of specific organs; even ones like the kidney which weren’t immediately visible in an open abdomen.

And the point that you keep deliberately ignoring, b) it wasn’t what an attendant might or might not have seen it’s what the doctors might or might not have seen. Neither the attendant or the organ thief could have known that the doctors hadn’t seen that the uterus was still there. I’m pleading with you to try and understand this point Trevor.

If it had been the case, and they proceeded to remove the organ, then they would have ended up having to cross the Golden Lane Mortuary from their supply list. It may even have led to a tightening of security at all mortuaries.

So you’re suggesting that they took this enourmous, needless and potentially expensive risk when all that they needed to have done is to wait until the PM was done and dusted.

But the abdomen would have been closed up following the post mortem making it impossible for anyone to access the abdomen unnoticed; you clearly have never attended a post mortem.

What are you talking about? After the PM the body would have been placed in a coffin with the organ thieves knowing that no one else would be looking at the body. So they would clearly have had to have taken organs after the PM.

This is simple stuff.
So simple its beyond your grasp.

You are the only person not grasping this obvious point Trevor. It’s shown by the fact that 22 others see it but only you can’t. Then again Trevor, I’m doubting whether you can’t actually understand it as I think that, as per usual, you will defend a discredited theory no matter what. The theory exists only in your head and there are very good reasons why no one agrees with you.

[Trevor Marriott]

He also said: “When the body arrived at Golden lane the clothes were more covered with blood than when I first saw them, but that was in consequence of the removal.”

Suggesting that Brown went to the mortuary following the body.

and what did he find ? nothing, because they didn't make any examination of the body till later in the day

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[Trevor Marriott]

The victim had an open abdomen. Intestines had been pulled out. Doctors had seen the body. It was known that organs were missing from Chapman (hence Brown requesting Phillips presence)

It’s not a case of what we don’t know Trevor. It’s a case of what organ thieves didn’t know. And what they couldn’t possibly have known is that by the time that they allegedly got to the body they couldn’t have known if the doctors had already seen that the uterus was still in place or not. Please read this again Trevor…..they couldn’t have known whether this was the case or not.

There was a mortuary attendant who would have opened the mortuary if he was corrupt he would have clearly have known the condition of the body and whether or not organs had been removed by the killer

If it had been the case, and they proceeded to remove the organ, then they would have ended up having to cross the Golden Lane Mortuary from their supply list. It may even have led to a tightening of security at all mortuaries.

So you’re suggesting that they took this enourmous, needless and potentially expensive risk when all that they needed to have done is to wait until the PM was done and dusted.

But the abdomen would have been closed up following the post mortem making it impossible for anyone to access the abdomen unnoticed; you clearly have never attended a post mortem.

This is simple stuff.

So simple its beyond your grasp.

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[Herlock Sholmes]

And:

“Could the parts removed be used for professional purposes?”

“They would be of no use for professional purposes.”

[Herlock Sholmes]

He also said: “When the body arrived at Golden lane the clothes were more covered with blood than when I first saw them, but that was in consequence of the removal.”

Suggesting that Brown went to the mortuary following the body.

[Herlock Sholmes]

And: ”The abdomen was all exposed, the intestines drawn out to a large extent and placed over the right shoulder.”

Surely increasing the chances of him noticing the uterus had it been there?

[Herlock Sholmes]

Interesting that in the inquest report in the Evening News Dr Brown said: “There was no blood on the abdomen.”

[Cody75111]

I'm guessing the reasoning behind Trevor's mortuary thieves theory is that it bolsters his giant tampon theory. Because if Jack doesn't get his hand's dirty or have any organs to transport then he has no need to cut up Catherine Eddowes' apron, so that means the (bloodied) apron in Goulston Street must have arrived there in a different way, so.....giant tampon.

[Jon Guy]

At the same time as the post-mortem was conducted

Thanks Jon

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But Trev, have you given thought as to when the thief took Chapman`s organs ?
Not only was there no time before the postmortem, the body was guarded

[Herlock Sholmes]

But we don't know when he went to the mortuary, and besides did he ever make a statement to say that he found organs missing? you cant rely on his evidence.

Your ducking and diving now your posts show signs of desperate attempts to prop up your belief


www.trevormarriott.co.uk

The victim had an open abdomen. Intestines had been pulled out. Doctors had seen the body. It was known that organs were missing from Chapman (hence Brown requesting Phillips presence)

It’s not a case of what we don’t know Trevor. It’s a case of what organ thieves didn’t know. And what they couldn’t possibly have known is that by the time that they allegedly got to the body they couldn’t have known if the doctors had already seen that the uterus was still in place or not. Please read this again Trevor…..they couldn’t have known whether this was the case or not.

If it had been the case, and they proceeded to remove the organ, then they would have ended up having to cross the Golden Lane Mortuary from their supply list. It may even have led to a tightening of security at all mortuaries.

So you’re suggesting that they took this enourmous, needless and potentially expensive risk when all that they needed to have done is to wait until the PM was done and dusted.

This is simple stuff.