Did The Ripper Remove Organs?

[Trevor Marriott]

Did the organ thieves remove organs from these poor ladies? Like I said if they relied purely on 'opened' abdomens (Kelly????) then it must have been a very poor 'business' model as there were hardly any victims to steal from. Surely this point alone casts doubt on the organ thief theory.

But no organs were taken from Kelly when the killer had the time to take many different organs from her body

The motive for these killings was nothing more than murder and mutilation

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[FrankO]

So if the killer was harvesting organs, why did he not take any organs or make any attempt to take organs from Tabram, Stride, Kelly, McKenzie and Coles?

If the organ thieves were harvesting organs to sell & get money, then why did they take a piece of belly wall? Or, if they thought belly wall would make money, then why didn't they take any pieces from any of the other victims? I mean, belly wall was much more easily accessible than any organ.

[Geddy2112]

So if the killer was harvesting organs, why did he not take any organs or make any attempt to take organs from Tabram, Stride, Kelly, McKenzie and Coles?

Did the organ thieves remove organs from these poor ladies? Like I said if they relied purely on 'opened' abdomens (Kelly????) then it must have been a very poor 'business' model as there were hardly any victims to steal from. Surely this point alone casts doubt on the organ thief theory.

[Trevor Marriott]

For what it's worth. The majority of these women were murdered not far from Butchers Row. There were 4 Kosher Butchers in that Row, Kosher Slaughterman and Kosher retail Butchers who bought wholesale according to strict Jewish Law.
Why does that matter and is there any significance? The Kosher Butchers removed animal organs to examine them as part of their Kosher requirement. And yes they could have likely done it in haste in poor lighting as not all Butcher shops had gas lighting. So the idea that a Butcher was incapable is not true.
if the question then turns to animal v human then I would look at Martha Tabrum, stabbed 39 times in the same areas that the next victims were mutilated. That sounds like a probe and the progression from animal to human.
Tabrum.
Assuming Tabrum was the probe, what happened next? An escalation in the mutilation and removal of organs with Chapman, Eddowes and finally Kelly, who was literally a human carcass.
Chapman and Eddowes were similar in the removals. In the case of Chapman there was plenty of light for the killer to observe where the human organs were and since his hands were already in the body, to feel for other organs. He progressed 1 additional step with Eddowes and then carved up her face.
Why would trained Doctors even mention slaughterman or Butchers or their knives after having seen these victims up close? Why would Robert Sagar state they were convinced a butcher who worked or did work with the Butchers on Butchers Row was the murderer? This was after Mary Kelly?

Kosher Butchers removed organs for a living.

So if the killer was harvesting organs, why did he not take any organs or make any attempt to take organs from Tabram, Stride, Kelly, McKenzie and Coles?

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[GBinOz]

Thanks for pointing that out George

So Phillips could have attended the PM and gone to the mortuary earlier in the day when Brown and Sequiera were there.

Phillips was reported to have arrived sometime after 5:20pm.

[Herlock Sholmes]

The Stride autopsy was 3PM the next day.

Thanks for pointing that out George

So Phillips could have attended the PM and gone to the mortuary earlier in the day when Brown and Sequiera were there.

[Patrick Differ]

When are you going to accept that you are so wrong, your posts on this topic are fuelled by your desperate need to show that the killer removed the organs, of which I have provided pictures, along with modern-day medical experts' opinions to back up my theory, and still you doubt the theory.

I have nothing further to add to this topic, and I am not going to reply to any of your posts on this topic because it's getting boring from my perspective, as I suspect it is for other posters.

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For what it's worth. The majority of these women were murdered not far from Butchers Row. There were 4 Kosher Butchers in that Row, Kosher Slaughterman and Kosher retail Butchers who bought wholesale according to strict Jewish Law.
Why does that matter and is there any significance? The Kosher Butchers removed animal organs to examine them as part of their Kosher requirement. And yes they could have likely done it in haste in poor lighting as not all Butcher shops had gas lighting. So the idea that a Butcher was incapable is not true.
if the question then turns to animal v human then I would look at Martha Tabrum, stabbed 39 times in the same areas that the next victims were mutilated. That sounds like a probe and the progression from animal to human.
Tabrum.
Assuming Tabrum was the probe, what happened next? An escalation in the mutilation and removal of organs with Chapman, Eddowes and finally Kelly, who was literally a human carcass.
Chapman and Eddowes were similar in the removals. In the case of Chapman there was plenty of light for the killer to observe where the human organs were and since his hands were already in the body, to feel for other organs. He progressed 1 additional step with Eddowes and then carved up her face.
Why would trained Doctors even mention slaughterman or Butchers or their knives after having seen these victims up close? Why would Robert Sagar state they were convinced a butcher who worked or did work with the Butchers on Butchers Row was the murderer? This was after Mary Kelly?

Kosher Butchers removed organs for a living.

[Doctored Whatsit]

The Stride autopsy was 3PM the next day.

Yes, I believe it was Trevor who thought otherwise.

[GBinOz]

By the way, do you still think that Phillips attended the Eddowes PM at 2.30, left early, and dashed across to St. George’s to begin the Stride PM at 3.00?

The Stride autopsy was 3PM the next day.

[Herlock Sholmes]

When are you going to accept that you are so wrong, your posts on this topic are fuelled by your desperate need to show that the killer removed the organs, of which I have provided pictures, along with modern-day medical experts' opinions to back up my theory, and still you doubt the theory.

I have nothing further to add to this topic, and I am not going to reply to any of your posts on this topic because it's getting boring from my perspective, as I suspect it is for other posters.

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If you consider that showing pictures of where the organs are located as evidence of anything then that is sad.

Your opinions aren’t worth listening to Trevor. I (and others) have systematically torn your theory to shreds. It’s an embarrassment. I’m tired of hearing from you. Everyone is tired of hearing your theories. You never, ever respond properly to any point you just clumsily blunder on completely devoid of logic, reason, common sense or even the remotest respect for the evidence. And you have the unmitigated nerve to talk to me as if I’m the one proposing a barking mad theory. Well unfortunately for you 23 intelligent people agree with me and you are left standing there on your own as usual desperately hoping that one day you’ll come up with a valid theory. You may have been a police officer but you are not a good detective.

So no Trevor, your theory falls and it falls badly when we take a good look at the evidence. Its way past time to give this silly theory up and stop dodging issues, avoiding answering tough questions, obfuscating and changing the subject.

The killer took organs. It’s a fact. Opinions to the contrary can’t be taken seriously. And as it’s 23-0, they clearly aren’t.

[Fiver]

When are you going to accept that you are so wrong....

Nobody supports your theory. The vote is 23-0 against it because your theory is deeply flawed.

[Trevor Marriott]

Brown and Sequiera were at the mortuary immediately after it was removed from Mitre Square. They watched it being stripped. Is it likely that they just went there to watch them strip the corpse? Of course not. They would have examined the body. They would have mentioned anything particularly relevant to the police who were present. They wouldn’t have bothered recording this because there was no need to as all would be noted at the PM.

So…organ thieves couldn’t have known that these doctors hadn’t spotted the uterus. It was way to big a risk therefore they wouldn’t have done it?

When did Phillips get the the mortuary? We can’t give a time but we know from Brown that it was Phillips who gave him the apron piece for comparison. So do you think it likely Trevor that…

Long finds the apron at 2.55
He searches the stair case and building then takes the apron to Commercial Road Station.
So it’s reasonable to estimate that the apron was at the station sometime between 3 and 4.
The police were clearly keen to know if the apron piece matched as it pointed them to the killers route.

So do you really think that they would have been prepared to wait over 10 hours to the PM to get that info.

Of course not. So…

Phillips have Brown the apron.
Phillips was at St. George’s performing Strides PM from 3.00 (probably before that) and so couldn’t have attended the Eddowes PM

Therefore Phillips must have given Brown the apron piece before the PM, and when was Brown there? Immediately after the body left Mitre Square.

When are you going to accept that you are so wrong, your posts on this topic are fuelled by your desperate need to show that the killer removed the organs, of which I have provided pictures, along with modern-day medical experts' opinions to back up my theory, and still you doubt the theory.

I have nothing further to add to this topic, and I am not going to reply to any of your posts on this topic because it's getting boring from my perspective, as I suspect it is for other posters.

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[Herlock Sholmes]

Well, he was only asked to view the body and match the apron piece from Goulston Street how long would that have taken?

I was quoting the time from another poster here, but we know that he had not arrived at the mortuary by 5.20am because it looks as though a Star reporter had been waiting outside the mortuary until at least that time, In excess of 3 hours after the boy arrived.

Out of the many people at the mortuary, none of them mentioned organs being found missing until the post mortem or any cursory examination of the body.

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Brown and Sequiera were at the mortuary immediately after it was removed from Mitre Square. They watched it being stripped. Is it likely that they just went there to watch them strip the corpse? Of course not. They would have examined the body. They would have mentioned anything particularly relevant to the police who were present. They wouldn’t have bothered recording this because there was no need to as all would be noted at the PM.

So…organ thieves couldn’t have known that these doctors hadn’t spotted the uterus. It was way to big a risk therefore they wouldn’t have done it?

When did Phillips get the the mortuary? We can’t give a time but we know from Brown that it was Phillips who gave him the apron piece for comparison. So do you think it likely Trevor that…

Long finds the apron at 2.55
He searches the stair case and building then takes the apron to Commercial Road Station.
So it’s reasonable to estimate that the apron was at the station sometime between 3 and 4.
The police were clearly keen to know if the apron piece matched as it pointed them to the killers route.

So do you really think that they would have been prepared to wait over 10 hours to the PM to get that info.

Of course not. So…

Phillips have Brown the apron.
Phillips was at St. George’s performing Strides PM from 3.00 (probably before that) and so couldn’t have attended the Eddowes PM

Therefore Phillips must have given Brown the apron piece before the PM, and when was Brown there? Immediately after the body left Mitre Square.

[Trevor Marriott]

Just repeating what you’ve stated Trevor. You have said that if the doctors had noticed the presence of the uterus then the mortuary workers would have been aware of this too. How? Unless the doctors decided to take them into their confidence. This is what you must believe for your theory to even have a chance of being valid. But as it’s obvious nonsense your theory is where it belongs. Down the pan.

You are making no sense the mortuary attendant would have been present when the body first arrived. I have no doubt that he assisted in the removal of the clothes,also present was Insp Collard and Dc Halse. Neither of them mentions any cursory examination that took place before the post mortem which would suggest that no check was made to check if the killer had removed any organs.

If you own a white flag you should wave it now Trevor because this is another defeat for you. Who knows..maybe one day you will find a theory that makes sense. I won’t hold my breath though.


By the way, do you still think that Phillips attended the Eddowes PM at 2.30, left early, and dashed across to St. George’s to begin the Stride PM at 3.00?

Well, he was only asked to view the body and match the apron piece from Goulston Street how long would that have taken?

I was quoting the time from another poster here, but we know that he had not arrived at the mortuary by 5.20am because it looks as though a Star reporter had been waiting outside the mortuary until at least that time, In excess of 3 hours after the boy arrived.

Out of the many people at the mortuary, none of them mentioned organs being found missing until the post mortem or any cursory examination of the body.

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[Herlock Sholmes]

Oh you are so funny, you need to calm down and give your brain a chance

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Just repeating what you’ve stated Trevor. You have said that if the doctors had noticed the presence of the uterus then the mortuary workers would have been aware of this too. How? Unless the doctors decided to take them into their confidence. This is what you must believe for your theory to even have a chance of being valid. But as it’s obvious nonsense your theory is where it belongs. Down the pan.

If you own a white flag you should wave it now Trevor because this is another defeat for you. Who knows..maybe one day you will find a theory that makes sense. I won’t hold my breath though.


By the way, do you still think that Phillips attended the Eddowes PM at 2.30, left early, and dashed across to St. George’s to begin the Stride PM at 3.00?