What did the copy-cat killer copy?

[caz]

I think the killer is trying to throw the investigators off the scent by leaving false clues, and the killer is trying to implicate who ever he thinks is the likeliest suspect, information which he learns from the press.

I wouldn't be at all surprised, Mr Lucky. Fits a lot better with the evidence - and reality - than trying to introduce a string of impressionists.

Love,

Caz
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[Fisherman]

I think the killer is trying to throw the investigators off the scent.

And what scent would that be?

All the best,
Fisherman

[Jon Guy]

And what scent would that be?

The cachous ?

[Robert]

According to the copycat theory it must be Eau de Clone.

[curious4]

Apron,

I will reiterate about the darkness. He may not have been able to see it with any clarity. And he is apparently fond of using a knife if the murder is any indicator. Not saying this is the decided case, but a relevant factor is the darkness.

Hello Dig,

Many thanks for your very kind words - I blush! Agree with you about the darkness. Also the apron was old and worn and I think I remember reading it was cotton, so would have been easily cut through. What surprises me, if he did use it to wipe his hands, is that it was not, er, messier. Blood on one corner and what "appeared to be" fecal matter - not much. If he was "posh", had gone to public (which for some reason means private in England) school, he would have played a game called "Hare and Hounds", which entails some players leaving a trail (of paper) and the other players have to follow the trail. I have wondered whether Jack could deliberately have laid a false trail with the apron piece, to make the police think he was going in another direction.

All good wishes,
Gwyneth/C4

[Errata]

If I recall correctly, not every internal part is listed in #13. Poster Errata made mention of this not too long ago. Hullo Errata, if you are out there can you remind me what you had posted? I guess I could search for it but I really don't have the time. Or I could be remembering incorrectly as I am exhausted.

Um... off the top of my head, there is no mention of ovaries or vagina, but that could be considered the uterus. No mention of the bladder, gall bladder, pancreas, adrenal glands... And while the intestines were reported, we don't the extent. Duodenum to rectum? Just small intestines? Was the colon left inside?

[Digalittledeeperwatson]

Hullo Caz.

Hi Diggy,

Motivation is the very last thing we can judge, without knowing who killed any of these women, or if there was anything connecting victim and killer beyond the actual encounter that led to murder.

Love,

Caz
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Thanks for biting. There aren't really any apparent motivations for these killings. Especially the ones with mutilations. Killing for killing's sake? Or rather the killer(s) enjoyed it killing?

[Stephen Thomas]

According to the copycat theory it must be Eau de Clone.

Or Chanel Non Canonical Five.

[curious4]

Scent

Lawende water perhaps?

[Digalittledeeperwatson]

Hullo C4.

Hello Dig,

Many thanks for your very kind words - I blush! Agree with you about the darkness. Also the apron was old and worn and I think I remember reading it was cotton, so would have been easily cut through. What surprises me, if he did use it to wipe his hands, is that it was not, er, messier. Blood on one corner and what "appeared to be" fecal matter - not much. If he was "posh", had gone to public (which for some reason means private in England) school, he would have played a game called "Hare and Hounds", which entails some players leaving a trail (of paper) and the other players have to follow the trail. I have wondered whether Jack could deliberately have laid a false trail with the apron piece, to make the police think he was going in another direction.

All good wishes,
Gwyneth/C4

I wonder if the killer didn't put the organs in something he brought with then put inside the apron piece. Or if he did have a recepticle if it was not sufficient for both the uterus and kidney. Hand wiping or knife wiping doesn't float so well with me given the lack of stuff on it. Yes leaving the apron may been a tactic to divert attention. Especially if he lived very close to their. Go home after murder. Deposit and clean up. Take a short walk and leave the apron. Go back home. Place it further away from the crime scene than his residence was.

[Digalittledeeperwatson]

Hullo Errata.

Um... off the top of my head, there is no mention of ovaries or vagina, but that could be considered the uterus. No mention of the bladder, gall bladder, pancreas, adrenal glands... And while the intestines were reported, we don't the extent. Duodenum to rectum? Just small intestines? Was the colon left inside?

Thanks. I knew I hadn't fabricated that post. None of these are reported missing but none are listed either. Peculiar. It would be one hell of a thing if one found a missing report that stated they were all gone taken by the killer. Stocking up for the winter perhaps?

[Mr Lucky]

Ooh, let me see. I'd say 33% of us would think he had; 33% of us would think he hadn't; 33% of us would think possibly, or possibly not; and the remaining 1% would insist the killer was mythical and put Stride's death down to suicide or an accident with the boot scraper.

What would you think? I'd plump for the possibly, possibly not.

Hi Caz,

Well, I'd be tempted to put her down as another boot scrapper suicide, like the Pinchin street torso !!

I really don't know actually , Caz, but the series victim count, pre-double event was still seen by most as four;- Smith onwards, so the killer may have assumed that there would be no question that Stride would be considered as anyone else's victim, The idea of killers having a fixed MO wasn't a contemporary idea as far as I know, so if he had killed all four (or even just Tabram onwards), then he hadn't had a fixed MO up to that point anyway, so why would he feel the need to start with Stride?

[Mr Lucky]

I don't think too many people today would go along with the early theory that the motive for murdering and mutilating any of these unfortunate women was to obtain their uteri. My belief is that the killer did what he did, and took what he took, because he could, and the shock value to his waiting audience was a bonus.

Hi Caz,

The organ theft for sale theory was pretty much sunk soon after the double event, despite the extra effort of the theft of Eddowes kidney, and this was all pre-Kelly of course, so if you can't pass the next crime off as the mythical organ stealer's, who's next on the most likely list ? - I wonder what went through the killer's mind when he read Dear Boss...

[Mr Lucky]

And what scent would that be?

All the best,
Fisherman

Fisherman,

My belief is that the killer had a dread of an investigator asking a question similar to - "So, Mr Paul, when the other man sent you to find a policeman, the woman was still moving a little, and you didn't notice any blood or any injuries?"

[Robert]

My guess would be that Lechmere copied Cross, and Cross copied Lechmere. They were very close.