What's your profile for Jack?

[Brenda]

One Last Thing

One thing I've never understood....we've seen prostitutes be part of the main story in a whole lot of serial killings...but why? Is it truly because they are "lesser" members of society, they won't be missed, their vulnerability?

[Errata]

One thing I've never understood....we've seen prostitutes be part of the main story in a whole lot of serial killings...but why? Is it truly because they are "lesser" members of society, they won't be missed, their vulnerability?

Its all those things. It's because no one keeps track of the comings and goings of prostitutes. They tend to disappear from areas because they find employment, move to a higher or lower class neighborhood, make enough to take care of themselves for a short while, die from violence, disease, hunger, drugs or drink. Because of the social unacceptability of the profession, people tend to not even look at prostitutes, or homeless people, or beggars. Most prostitutes do not have family that knows where they are, or care. They are not married. Many have children but do not have custody of those children. Most of them have no one to even notice they are missing, much less report it.

Prostitutes routinely engage in extremely unsafe behavior with strangers. Getting in their car, taking them to a secluded area... drug dealers engage in similarly unsafe behaviors, but street dealers still tend to be men. The job description of a prostitute makes her the perfect victim. The fact that no one cares if she lives or dies until she is brutally murdered is just an added bonus. And typically if you try to report a prostitute missing, there isn't a lot cops can do, even if they are willing to do it. Prostitutes don't want to be found by cops. Today there is something of a safety network between streetwalkers. It doesn't keep anyone from getting killed, but it does mean that women notice when someone doesn't come back. Typically if the person isn't back the next day, the other women will report her missing. And now there is a safe way of doing that without them getting arrested for their troubles.

And none of this yet exists for the boys on the streets, the male prostitutes, who are becoming the largest pool of serial killer victims. Evidently the only person harder to identify than a prostitute is a teenage male prostitute. I think as many as one in four male prostitutes are never identified. No one will admit that they knew a young boy selling himself on the street. Admitting the knowledge without having previously reported it is an admission of guilt.

[lynn cates]

"And time shall be no more."

Hello DLDW. Thanks.

"Payment for what? That could have a very interesting answer indeed. If not for sexual services then what other type?"

Was there time for this at Mitre sq?

Cheers.
LC

[Damaso Marte]

One thing I've never understood....we've seen prostitutes be part of the main story in a whole lot of serial killings...but why? Is it truly because they are "lesser" members of society, they won't be missed, their vulnerability?

Prostitutes engage in a (mostly) illegal activity: in the Ripper's era, prostitutes would literally take you to a dark place that they knew was safe from the police and from other witnesses. It was a serial killer's dream.

[Michael W Richards]

One thing I've never understood....we've seen prostitutes be part of the main story in a whole lot of serial killings...but why? Is it truly because they are "lesser" members of society, they won't be missed, their vulnerability?

Your question was essentially addressed by errata Brenda, but I would just add that in the case of the Canonical Murders, whether the victims were actively soliciting at the time they met their killer must be considered an important factor.

To wit...we only know that 2 were. Speculation is used to assume anything further.

All the best

[Digalittledeeperwatson]

Clarity

Hello DLDW. Thanks.

"Payment for what? That could have a very interesting answer indeed. If not for sexual services then what other type?"

Was there time for this at Mitre sq?

Cheers.
LC

I meant if they went into the Square to do some sort of business or have a discussion. Or at least that's what Eddowes thought. Hey let's go down there where it's private. Okay. Then attack commences once in the darkness. Something along those lines.

[Bridewell]

Hello Errata.

Well, payment for what? No transaction yet.

If there had been, then the time window narrows even more.

Cheers.
LC

Prostitute? Payment in advance - always.

[lynn cates]

Let's discuss.

Hello DLDW. Thanks.

Discussion instead of transaction? OK. But whence the coins?

Cheers.
LC

[lynn cates]

In donde esta?

Hello Colin. Thanks.

"Prostitute? Payment in advance - always."

No, not always.

But, for the sake of argument, let's suppose so. Then where is the dinero?

Cheers.
LC

[Digalittledeeperwatson]

Sorry

Hello DLDW. Thanks.

Discussion instead of transaction? OK. But whence the coins?

Cheers.
LC

Coins? I might be daft today.

[Errata]

Coins? I might be daft today.

No, Lynn is referring to a suggestion I made that dropping coins on the ground would successfully distract Eddowes from paying attention to a kerchief about to be tightened around the throat or jaw.

Which it would be. I have no idea if that happened, but money is always a fairly powerful distraction. Even if she wasn't soliciting.

[Digalittledeeperwatson]

Ha Ha!

Okay. Thought I was slippin'. Reviewed Eddowes possessions. I blame fatigue.

[Digalittledeeperwatson]

Oh

And Hullo Errata. Long-time listener. First-time caller.

[lynn cates]

Och!

Hello Errata. Thanks.

"Lynn is referring to a suggestion I made that dropping coins on the ground would successfully distract Eddowes from paying attention to a kerchief about to be tightened around the throat or jaw.

Which it would be. I have no idea if that happened, but money is always a fairly powerful distraction. Even if she wasn't soliciting."

So, the suggestion is that he may have thrown away money as a distraction? In which case we can rule out Bury. Wasn't he a Scot? (heh-heh)

Cheers.
LC

[Observer]

Hello Colin. Thanks.

"Prostitute? Payment in advance - always."

No, not always.

But, for the sake of argument, let's suppose so. Then where is the dinero?

Cheers.
LC

Back in Jacks pocket. This is one of the reasons he opted to rifle Kate Eddowes pocket's. In fact the very same method he employed during the assault and murder of Annie Chapman.