What's your profile for Jack?

[GUT]

G'Day Michael

she paid particular attention to her appearance....something highly unlikely if her intention was to bend over facing a fence that night...servicing dockworkers

Huh!

[Tom_Wescott]

No sour grapes for you Observer...just a brief reminder that Liz Stride was not seen soliciting by anyone that night and that she paid particular attention to her appearance....something highly unlikely if her intention was to bend over facing a fence that night...servicing dockworkers.

You are like an ostrich when its frightened sometimes amigo.

Best regards

Polly Nichols was never seen with a man. Yet she was soliciting. Stride was seen speaking with and approaching numerous men. There's actually more evidence with which to conclude Stride was soliciting than Nichols. As for paying 'particular attention to her appearance', why should it be assumed this was not habitual for her? She was a bit better off than the other women. Nichols obtained a new dress and bonnet in spite of her worse circumstances. She believed this would land her more customers and more money. Make her stand out. Perhaps Stride's 'gussying up' is actually evidence of soliciting instead of evidence to the contrary as you suggest.

Yours truly,

Tom Wescott

[GUT]

Remember what Mary Kelly is alleged to have said on her last night out, and I paraphrase:

If I don't get work tonight I'll top myself. [Or chuck it in].

If MJK as pick of the crop, at the very least of the 5 [according to descriptions of her and 10+ years younger than the others], was worried about picking up I can not imagine the others being lackadaisical about their appearance, doing as much as they could.

[Observer]

No sour grapes for you Observer...just a brief reminder that Liz Stride was not seen soliciting by anyone that night and that she paid particular attention to her appearance....something highly unlikely if her intention was to bend over facing a fence that night...servicing dockworkers.

You are like an ostrich when its frightened sometimes amigo.

Best regards

Hi Mike

It has been pointed out to you on several occasions that Liz Stride was in the company of more than one man on the night of her death. This would suggest that she was indeed soliciting.

The only difference between Stride, Chapman, and Nichols, with regards to whether they were soliciting or not lies with the fact that Chapman, and Nichols, happened to pass veiled remarks that they might have intended to indulge in solicitation in order to earn some money for a nights doss. Stride of course encountered no one with whom she was on speaking terms prior to her death, that is, no one after she had spoken with Charles Preston, and Catherine Lane at 8 p.m. If she had, then the fact that she was indeed soliciting on the night of her death could well have been proved beyond doubt.

It has also been pointed out to you recently that Liz Stride may well have made an effort to appear more personable every Saturday night. The thing is, how much of an effort to beautify herself did she make? Not a lot if John Best is to be believed

"He was hugging her and kissing her, and as he seemed a respectably dressed man, we were rather astonished at the way he was going on with the woman, who was poorly dressed."

Regards

Observer

[lynn cates]

diligent

Hello CD.

"Furthermore, she was in a competitive business. It is my experience that men prefer attractive women over those less fortunately blessed."

Yes, one must be diligent and invest a good bit to collect that 4d.

Cheers.
LC

[lynn cates]

statement

Hello Tom.

"There's actually more evidence with which to conclude Stride was soliciting than Nichols."

Except personal statement.

Cheers.
LC

[Colin Roberts]

Yes, one must be diligent and invest a good bit to collect that 4d.

Apart from Jack London's tour guide who was referring to a very specific group of particularly wretched dolly-mops, when citing a rate of three pennies, two pennies or a loaf of stale bread, we have no source for the notion of a going rate of 4d. None whatsoever!

If Annie Chapman was able to milk a drunken oaf for 4d, then Frances Coles could have netted 2s/6d anytime, anyplace, any customer.

There is competition in every market!

[lynn cates]

outsourcing

Hello Colin. Thanks.

Well, I have seen that figure quoted (along with the others), so, ipso facto solo there is a source.

But perhaps no RELIABLE source?

Cheers.
LC

[c.d.]

Hello CD.

"Furthermore, she was in a competitive business. It is my experience that men prefer attractive women over those less fortunately blessed."

Yes, one must be diligent and invest a good bit to collect that 4d.

Cheers.
LC

Hello Lynn,

You hit the nail on the head, I think. That would explain why you see so few hookers with no makeup, wearing ratty old bathrobes and sneakers.

c.d.

[Colin Roberts]

But perhaps no RELIABLE source?

I would contend that we have no contemporary source, Lynn; in which case our modern sources cannot possibly be reliable.

the Prostitutes' Church
four-penny knee tremblers
foreigners (euphemism specifically referring to Jews)
etc.

[lynn cates]

business acumen

Hello CD. Thanks.

Yes, one must invest 6d to earn 3d--a tough life.

Reminds me of the two Aggies who graduated from Texas A & M business school. They bought melons for 50 c each and resold them for half a dollar. At the end of the day, they calculated their profits.

"No profit, but no loss. We broke even."

"What shall we do?"

"Well, you know what we learned in school--we must increase volume of sales."

Cheers.
LC

[c.d.]

Hello Lynn,

Why does the subject invoke such sarcasm? Is the idea that a prostitute might fix herself up a bit to attract men so far fetched? No one is suggesting that Liz spent $500 at Victoria's Secret simply that she was trying to do the best with what she had to work with. Seems reasonable to me.

c.d.

[lynn cates]

clientele

Hello CD. Thanks.

That depends upon the clientele.

Cheers.
LC

[c.d.]

Hello CD. Thanks.

That depends upon the clientele.

Cheers.
LC

And wasn't she in competition with her fellow sisters for that SAME clientele?

c.d.

[PC Fitzroy-Toye]

If you wish to catch the eye of a better buyer best have something better to sell.