Coincidence?

[DJA]

There is the possibility that Eddowes proposed cutting the real 29 year old Mary Ann Kelly out of black mail proceedings,being unaware of Stride's earlier murder.

Tends to explain Jewry Street not being blamed for nothing,if you get my drift.

More so if it was her son involved in blackmailing the Cleveland Street clients.

Just a reminder ..... I do not prescribe to the Royal conspiracy.

[Michael W Richards]

Eddowes was born in 1842. Keely was born around 1863.

The 1891 Census of England and Wales shows there were over 900 women living in London named Mary Kelly and who who were born between 1840 and 1870. If the Ripper was targeting Mary Kelly, but had no idea what she looked like, he could have killed hundreds of Mary Kallys and not gotten the right one.

I would say that for myself I never suggested "the ripper" killed Kate or Mary, so for me that's not a problem. I do suggest that Kates aliases... including 99% of Mary Jane Kellys full name, and address...may well suggest she knew Mary. Perhaps she intended on selling that information along with her silence.

[Fiver]

Mary Kelly's?
because that is what we are talking about .....
about 6-8 from memory ,with some being too old or young to be a likely ripper victim

Eddowes was born in 1842. Keely was born around 1863.

The 1891 Census of England and Wales shows there were over 900 women living in London named Mary Kelly and who who were born between 1840 and 1870. If the Ripper was targeting Mary Kelly, but had no idea what she looked like, he could have killed hundreds of Mary Kallys and not gotten the right one.

If someone appeared on casebook with the name Sam F Lynn I, personally, would suspect it was yourself or someone who wanted to use a similar name to you and cause confusion.

You ,I strongly suspect, would accept it as a complete coincidence

There were roughly 5.5 million people living in London at the time of the Ripper murders. Total membership on this site is a bit less than that.

[Michael W Richards]

True, but was this confirmed and advertised by the time Kate returned? More to the point, was it confirmed and advertised in the days before John Kelly and Kate decided to leave the hop-fields of Kent? If not, then there's no way that the reward could have been the reason why she returned.

I believe that we already know why they returned Sam, its on record that that season was particularly bad for hop picking. What she said about their return may or may not be the reality.

[DJA]

Not really

John Stride was twenty two and a half years older than Liz.

[Al Bundy's Eyes]

Out of all the people that gave evidence at the C5 inquests,we have Constable Walter Stride the nephew of John Stride.

Any one found Mary Jane Kelly yet?

Good spot DJA.

[DJA]

the vigilance committee had raised at least £200 by the time Kate returned.

Good reason for the From Hell letter.

[DJA]

How many Gustafsdotters in Spitalfields? How many Strides, for that matter? How many people had a long-term partner called Gustafsdotter/Gustafson or Stride? How likely was it that someone would randomly choose a pseudonym as uncommon as Gustafsdotter or Stride? How many people would even have heard of someone with those names?

Now, how many Kellys were there in that heavily-settled-by-Irish district? The rest follows...

Out of all the people that gave evidence at the C5 inquests,we have Constable Walter Stride the nephew of John Stride.

Any one found Mary Jane Kelly yet?

[DJA]

If we accept the telegraph report that Eddowes did occasionally sleep at the shed then we are left with all 5 living , up until a few weeks in any way, within 11 doors of each other on the same side of the street .

How's the statistics now?

All undoubtedly regulars at McCarthy's shop ,the horn of plenty etc.

Next time you see a photo of Dorset Street , look at what you see .

Do you see thousands of dossers packing the street or do you see women standing around chatting ?

It would be remarkable for them not to know each other

Statistically,most people have 40 friends in the real world. Not some 'phone app!

Pedantic internet nitpickers would have less. Thus their views are ......

[DJA]

Did many people wander around the East End without shoes at the time? From all accounts the weather sounded pretty atrocious at the time, so they must have been particularly desperate or John was a particularly hardcase.

Tristan

Times were tough during the Long Depression 1879-1896. Dates vary depending on one's views.

"Work" was completed in 1865.

[Sam Flynn]

Although the home office refused to sanction any official reward, both parties mentioned by Sam still offered their own private rewards. Montagu stood by his offer of £100 and the vigilance committee had raised at least £200 by the time Kate returned.

True, but was this confirmed and advertised by the time Kate returned? More to the point, was it confirmed and advertised in the days before John Kelly and Kate decided to leave the hop-fields of Kent? If not, then there's no way that the reward could have been the reason why she returned.

[Michael W Richards]

Although the home office refused to sanction any official reward, both parties mentioned by Sam still offered their own private rewards. Montagu stood by his offer of £100 and the vigilance committee had raised at least £200 by the time Kate returned.

Thanks for that Josh.

[Joshua Rogan]

Michael W Richards Which reward do you think Kate was referring to then?

Tristan

Although the home office refused to sanction any official reward, both parties mentioned by Sam still offered their own private rewards. Montagu stood by his offer of £100 and the vigilance committee had raised at least £200 by the time Kate returned.

[Michael W Richards]

Michael W Richards Which reward do you think Kate was referring to then?

Tristan

I believe there was one, or perhaps 2 rewards offered by private individuals, something not within the governing bodies powers to suppress. Not a huge number as I recall, 2 50L offers? Something like that. Ill search for it when I get a moment today.

[Michael W Richards]

Ever wondered what he had on his feet while working or at the identification or inquest ?

I didn't say his only footwear.