Faecal matter on apron piece

[Rob Clack]

Hello Rob,

Yes, I was in Mitre Square last week. Met a fine Ripperologist afterwards too. Passed on a snippet of gained info to him too that may turn out to be of help to all with luck.

Neil didn't tell me he met you last week.

The London Hospital Museum reference I do not understand. Do please enlighten the community as to why I should have been there?

If this is 'simple' then no doubt you will have answers to all the anomelies to give us?

Best wishes

Phil

It's where the original Foster drawings of Mitre Square are. Also the photograph of the Lusk letter is there. Iw ould have thought with your interest in Mitre Square and specifically Fosters drawings, you would have taken half hour out of your day to see it. If you were that serious about the Whitechapel Murders you would have made the effort.

Rob

[Phil Carter]

Hi Supe,

Just to level the playing field, a growing number of researchers with whom I am having correspondence are not echoing your sentiments.

Regards,

Simon

Hello Simon,

Thank you. Appreciated.

Best wishes

Phil

[Bridewell]

Crossed

Yes Colin, that's why I corrected it.

Monty

Sorry, Monty. Your correction and my post went on at the same time.

Usually isn't always.

That's fair comment. Perhaps, too, Watkins was one of the officers said to have been issued with galoshes?

Regards, Bridewell.

[Phil Carter]

Hello Don,

Do understand. I dont care two figs for your criticism either. .

It is pointless discussing further with you. Personal put downs in reply result in not bothering to discuss the thread issues further with you . Its a waste of time and off topic.

Have a nice afternoon/evening.

Best wishes

Phil

[Simon Wood]

Hi Rob,

"The fact is Jack was there unless your suggesting Catherine Eddowes committed suicide."

Now you're just stamping your foot.

Regards,

Simon

[Monty]

Hi Monty,

Isn't that George Morris, not Dc Halse? Interesting that he said he usually heard the footsteps of the patrolling policeman every 15 minutes but, on the night in question, heard nothing until Watkins went to him for help. Why did he not hear Watkins on his earlier circuits?

Regards, Bridewell.

Yes Colin, that's why I corrected it.

Usually isn't always.

Monty

[Bridewell]

Morris?

No idea Phil, I cannot recall just now.

I can recall that Halse was deep in the bowels of Kearley & Tonge up until moments before Watkins arrived. He opened the door slightly and started sweeping the stairs. So any sound would not have been that strong to him. And if he did hear it, the square is a public thoroughfare, would he have paid a mass amount of attention when he had chores to do?
Monty

Hi Monty,

Isn't that George Morris, not Dc Halse? Interesting that he said he usually heard the footsteps of the patrolling policeman every 15 minutes but, on the night in question, heard nothing until Watkins went to him for help. Why did he not hear Watkins on his earlier circuits?

Regards, Bridewell.

[Simon Wood]

Hi Supe,

Just to level the playing field, a growing number of researchers with whom I am having correspondence are not echoing your sentiments.

Regards,

Simon

[Phil Carter]

So what's your point? Every post of yours is exactly the same. You talk a lot but you don't say anything. The FACT is Jack was there, he murdered and mutilated Catherine Eddowes and walked away with her left kidney,uterus and part of her apron. It might not sit right with you but that's what happened. It's not complicated it's perfectly simple. Trying to make an issue or conspiracy out of something so simple doesn't do you any favours. Instead of acting as if there is something dark and sinister in every corner, perhaps you should try and make a contribution to case, because at the moment you are your conspiracy nut friends are dragging it back to the dark ages.

I take it you were in Mitre Square the other day, thankfully it wasn't the weather for showing off your knobbly knees. I bet you didn't go up to the London Hospital Museum did you?



Well Don liked it. And we'll do.

Rob

Hello Rob,

Yes, I was in Mitre Square last week. Met a fine Ripperologist afterwards too. Passed on a snippet of gained info to him too that may turn out to be of help to all with luck.

The London Hospital Museum reference I do not understand. Do please enlighten the community as to why I should have been there?

If this is 'simple' then no doubt you will have answers to all the anomelies to give us?

Best wishes

Phil

[Rob Clack]

Hi Rob,

"The fact is Jack was there, he murdered and mutilated Catherine Eddowes and walked away with her left kidney, uterus and part of her apron."

What fact?

Regards,

Simon

The fact is Jack was there unless your suggesting Catherine Eddowes committed suicide.

Rob

[Supe]

Phil,
I respectfully suggest you refrain from further pointed personal comment. Thank you.

Hey, it was a funny line, for which Rob deserves credit. What I did take you to task for, and which you have not addressed, is your creating false arguments to bolster your contentions (e.g. positing Jack as a Moriarty-like super-criminal who could not be foolish enough as to take an incriminating piece of the apron with him).

Another example would be: I have stated that had Halse NOT been a policeman he would have been ideally situated both time and in terms of being the only known person known to have been at the locations in order to have taken and placed the apron piece.

Since Halse was a policeman your observation is pointless and as irrelevant as someone suggesting "Hey dude, you know if Napoleon had a squadron of attack helicopters at Waterloo he'd have whipped Wellington's butt."

You have previously tried to get me to say tha Halse was the accomplice.

Do understand, Phil, I don't care what you say. I can't speak for the field, but i will say that a disproportionate number of Ripperologists with whom I have had correspondence the past year echo my sentiments.

Don.

[Simon Wood]

Hi Rob,

"The fact is Jack was there, he murdered and mutilated Catherine Eddowes and walked away with her left kidney, uterus and part of her apron."

What fact?

Regards,

Simon

[Monty]

No idea Phil, I cannot recall just now.

I can recall that Halse was deep in the bowels of Kearley & Tonge up until moments before Watkins arrived. He opened the door slightly and started sweeping the stairs. So any sound would not have been that strong to him. And if he did hear it, the square is a public thoroughfare, would he have paid a mass amount of attention when he had chores to do?

Monty


PS Of course I mean Morris. Long day.

[Rob Clack]

Hello Rob,

The risk isnt how he gets out, primarily whilst he is there it is chance against who comes in.
Am so glad you mentioned sound- because if the killer is able to hear footsteps, then the nightwatchman missed TWO sets of them- in company- one of a woman wearing heavy men's boots. Ever heard two 'lovers' walking into a secluded and surrounded spot that is compacj and surrounded by brick walls and buildings? They tend to talk and laugh. Feet scrape. Missed steps and half stumbles. The squase was enclosed by high buildings and a wall. Archways out of entrances. One allewway perhaps 15 secs long to walk down. Also enclosed.

The nightwatchman opened a door possibly whilst the killer was at work. He may not have seen the light emitted but I submit that he HEARD the door being opened. They werent silent in those days, and the nightwatchman had no reason to open it carefully in silence either.

Every secound the killer was there the time and surroundings provided an increase in risk.

So what's your point? Every post of yours is exactly the same. You talk a lot but you don't say anything. The FACT is Jack was there, he murdered and mutilated Catherine Eddowes and walked away with her left kidney,uterus and part of her apron. It might not sit right with you but that's what happened. It's not complicated it's perfectly simple. Trying to make an issue or conspiracy out of something so simple doesn't do you any favours. Instead of acting as if there is something dark and sinister in every corner, perhaps you should try and make a contribution to case, because at the moment you are your conspiracy nut friends are dragging it back to the dark ages.

I take it you were in Mitre Square the other day, thankfully it wasn't the weather for showing off your knobbly knees. I bet you didn't go up to the London Hospital Museum did you?

'In my book' was a response to Dave. Why don't you try taking the mickey out of him whilst you are trying to be funny? The attempt only reflects upon you Rob., I suggest we stick to the subject eh?


Best wishes

Phil

Well Don liked it. And we'll do.

Rob

[Phil Carter]

Hello Monty,

Thank you for the reply. Would you kindly tell me who first suggested that Eddowes may have known the police beats and on what basis? I am afraid I cannot remember. Thank you.

Best wishes

Phil