Serial Killers, A pattern???

[lynn cates]

dialectic

Hello Corey. They may well be the same, for what little I know. I have not met any LVP serial killers, although I am almost old enough. I HOPE I have not met any 21st c ones, for if I find out otherwise, I may not sleep well for awhile.

Notice that in a logical disputation (or dialectic, if you will), the onus is always on the one who asserts the positive. The naysayer need not do that. So if LVP SK's must behave a certain way, it is good to come forward with a model.

The best.
LC

[corey123]

Well

Lynn,

Think about it. How could a serial killer be any different? There were no disorders(mentally) back then that we dont have today.
Jack the Ripper kills like any modern day serial killer.
They are human as our modern day killers are.
We dont need to present a certain killer to know that there is little difference between the modern and past serial killers.
Every killer is different in some way but how could anyone prove that there is a diffenent difference that greatly alienates past killers from modern killer?

please tell me that.

yours truly

[lynn cates]

model

Hello Corey.

"Serial killers in Jack[']s time were no different [from how] they are today"

Possibly. But how do we know this? Which model/s of LVP serial killers are we using for reference here?

The best.
LC

[corey123]

Hello all,

I do believe that the ripper has narcissism, for one, it is a disorder which can lead to many of the disorders that we find with serial killers this day, such as Borderline syndrom, paranoid schitzaphrenia, and OCD.

A modern day serial killer, Jeffrey Dahmer, was diagnosed narcissistic. Serial killers in Jacks time were no different than they are today so we must look at jack the same way as we do "modern era" serial killers(besides perhaps the location).
As Mike says,I used the scientific theory.
My observation: The connection between the murders, and that of narcissistic killers.
My Induction: Reconising the connection in those six.
My deduction: 1) the same M.O was used in the 2,3,5, &6 murders but the same intention is found in all six(not including stride, can be explained)
2) More severe mutilations as the murders progress( and due to the location)
My testing: finding similar behavior patterns in the zodiac killings. Also finding that Narcissism was found in Jeffrey Dahmer and that it leads to different psychological disorders
This thread topic is my evaluation.

I also do wonder what signs did the doctors looked for to find "Connexion"? It would be hard to detect those signs because of two factors:
1) In most of the cases they were prostitutes so they could have "Connected" with various men.
2) In some cases part of the upper vaginal portion was removed.

I dont believe we can entirely rely on the mortitions findings.

Yours truly

[mklhawley]

What I am intrigued about with Corey123’s hypothesis are the patterns. The purpose of science is to discover patterns in nature (inductive reasoning), and then attempt to explain those patterns with the known empirical evidence (deductive reasoning). There are three patterns fitting the evidence in this hypothesis that resonate with me, 1) learning from experience, 2) conforming to the aggressive form of narcissism, and 3) a pattern in mutilation. The narcissism pattern of loner, pathological lying, paranoia, and psychological episodes reminds me of Ted Bundy. He could certainly put on a nice game face in public, but listening to the surviving Bundy victims showed an evil person during his episodes.

Sincerely,

Mike

[cappuccina]

Yes, either that, or that was their "press release" when they couldn't find anything obvious because they did not want to deal with it publicly. I believe they still, as police do today, continued to look at a lot more evidence/theories as to what happened/suspects than have come to light...

For example, it would be wonderful to have a list of all of the East End "ruffians" that they interviewed and "let off", and why those people did not continue to fall under the umbrella of suspicion...

In JtR's case, I think the stabbing "substituted" (in his mind) for the sex act itself, and, in my opinion contributed to his overall rage because I think he was either impotent all along, or rendered so by a bad case of VD... (OK, I am nauseous now... )...IOW, there may have been no such fluid to find...

Anyway, Happy Holidays to you too, Michael!!

Hi Perry/Michael...

As blood typing was only developed around 1901 or so, even if they had found Jack's blood at the scene (or other body fluids as you mention), they would have had a difficult time proving that they were his.

And, it was not until the mid-1920s or so, that the Japanese scientist, Saburo Sirai, found that blood was not required to determine blood type, i.e., many people secrete blood group-specific antigens into other bodily fluids.

So, other than knowing that those fuids were there, and common sense guesses as to what fluids they were and if they were human or animal, they could not have gone much further than that.

So we agree on that point Capps.....and hello to you by the way, nice to see you ...the liklihood that they could have definitely stated that no connection had occurred is minimal at best. If it was stated that none occurred, it means they did not detect anything.

My best Capps....Happy Holidays too.

[cappuccina]

Hi Perry/Michael...

As blood typing was only developed around 1901 or so, even if they had found Jack's blood at the scene (or other body fluids as you mention), they would have had a difficult time proving that they were his.

And, it was not until the mid-1920s or so, that the Japanese scientist, Saburo Sirai, found that blood was not required to determine blood type, i.e., many people secrete blood group-specific antigens into other bodily fluids.

So, other than knowing that those fuids were there, and common sense guesses as to what fluids they were and if they were human or animal, they could not have gone much further than that.

[lynn cates]

what's the connection?

Hello CD and Mike. Stomach contents were analyzed as well as thighs. Those wise old doctors knew what to look for.

Of course, it may have been worthwhile to have looked inside Jack's trousers as he cut away at the ladies, but that's not exactly connection--in the usual sense at least.

The best.
LC

Since some victims had parts of the external and internal genitalia damaged, I dont know that they could in every case conclude anything about a possible connection other that by whether or not semen was present.

cd's joke is perhaps applicable, did they test those victims clothing for the presence of semen? I dont know personally, but I highly doubt that anything but a visual inspection was made of the clothing.

Best regards all.

[Rick Mattix]

Not to suggest that medicine was in a primitive state at the time, or that the examinations of the victims weren't well executed, but I wonder how apparent the "signs of connection" might or might not have been in 1888, especially considering the degree of mutilations. Also considering that these women were prostitutes and might have "connected" with more than one man in the hours recently preceding their deaths.

[c.d.]

Hello Jason. That may possibly be so. And, of course, an old person's memory may be expected to fail in such matters. But it seems that the laws of biology are roughly the same over time. So, perhaps you could adduce an example of connection without any signs of it?

The best.
LC

You might want to ask Bill Clinton.

c.d.

[lynn cates]

example

Hello Jason. That may possibly be so. And, of course, an old person's memory may be expected to fail in such matters. But it seems that the laws of biology are roughly the same over time. So, perhaps you could adduce an example of connection without any signs of it?

The best.
LC

[jason_c]

Not all sexual contact leave signs of "connection".

As for the cachous in Strides' hand it only suggests she saw no immediate danger to herself.

[lynn cates]

connection

Hello Corey. All the Whitechapel decedents were checked for that. There was no sign of "connection."

The best.
LC