Serial Killers, A pattern???

[perrymason]

Not "near-silent attacks", Mike - as I've pointed out a few times, we can't use that because:

1. The victims may have made a noise that went unnoticed by prospective "ear-witnesses" - quite likely given the time of night on which most of the attacks occurred; and

2. Whether the victims made a noise (or put up a struggle) was down to them, and hence can't possibly be an attribute of the killer.

Even if we could use "near-silent attacks" as an attribute of the One True Ripper, he won't have been the first or the last killer to have silenced his victims swiftly, so at best it's not a distinguishing attribute.

I believe that the only sounds may have been from Annie heard by Cadosche, if Mary was heard it was not followed by an attack evidently, ....so I dont care to assume the tree has fallen in the forest unless I can see that for myself.

It appears that the contemporary evidence suggests that the Canonical Group were killed without any neighbors hearing a peep.....excluding Cadosche. That includes Martha as well.

Best regards

[Sam Flynn]

Hello Sam.

"That's half the corps-de-ballet at Covent Garden slaughtered by the Ripper every night they performed, then."

Oh, very well. I'm to stop thinking about hitched up skirts and body placement then? As you wish.

Not as I wish at all - it's up to you. I was only making a joke, Lynn.

Personally, I wouldn't go with hitched-up skirts and body placement, as dead bodies usually only end up in certain configurations - their clothes too - and those in which the Ripper's victims were found were hardly unique.

[DVV]

It appears that the contemporary evidence suggests that the Canonical Group were killed without any neighbors hearing a peep.....excluding Cadosche. That includes Martha as well.

Best regards

Hi Mike,

Tom Wescott, one of my best friends, wrote an article suggesting that the Hewitts did most probably hear something.
As well as the Reeves, perhaps.

Amitiés mon cher,
David

[Sam Flynn]

I believe that the only sounds may have been from Annie heard by Cadosche, if Mary was heard it was not followed by an attack evidently, ....so I dont care to assume the tree has fallen in the forest unless I can see that for myself.

It appears that the contemporary evidence suggests that the Canonical Group were killed without any neighbors hearing a peep.....excluding Cadosche. That includes Martha as well.

Best regards

What I said stands, Michael, for the simple, and self-evidently logical, reasons I gave.

"Apparently silent victims" is NOT a sufficiently exclusive criterion to distinguish between the Whitechapel Murders - or any series of murders, come to that.

[lynn cates]

joke

Hello Sam.

"Not as I wish at all - it's up to you. I was only making a joke, Lynn."

As was I. At my age, ANY remark about ladies' skirts should be deemed a joke.

The best.
LC

[Sox]

I believe that the only sounds may have been from Annie heard by Cadosche, if Mary was heard it was not followed by an attack evidently, ....so I dont care to assume the tree has fallen in the forest unless I can see that for myself.

It appears that the contemporary evidence suggests that the Canonical Group were killed without any neighbors hearing a peep.....excluding Cadosche. That includes Martha as well.

Best regards

Hardly unusual though Mike, most victims of rape do not scream, or cry out. Terror can silence anyone.

[Sam Flynn]

"Terror can silence anyone"

Well put, Sox. I can only add, "but not everyone"

[perrymason]

Hardly unusual though Mike, most victims of rape do not scream, or cry out. Terror can silence anyone.

Rape? What cases are we talking about?

All that was heard was as I said, implying that he intentionally stopped or inhibited their ability to call out..perhaps as a by-product of his particular attack methodology.

Terror can be silent, struggles invariably are not.

Best regards

[Sox]

Rape? What cases are we talking about?

It's an example Mike. Many rape victims do not scream because they are in fear of their lives, that if they stay silent then their attacker will not harm them beyond the sexual assault. If Jack did indeed strangle his victims, then they may not have tried to cry out until it was too late.

[corey123]

terror

I should second both statments that terror can silence anyone but not everyone, may I note that terror may also paralyze someone??

But I dont believe it wise to try and make weather or not the victim screamed as a character in his murders.

The only way I would compare and connect murders is by physical evidence.

yours truly

[Sam Flynn]

The only way I would compare and connect murders is by physical evidence.

I agree. That's the only safe approach in this case, Corey. The rest is open to so much speculation.

[perrymason]

Im sorry gents but a woman paralyzed with fear doesnt slit her own throat and mutilate herself....Terror or not physical violence must occur for Mary to have been butchered,....and that would make sounds within a house. Unless people slept through it. When we have a witness awake in that house after the sound and no noise following it....that should do it for the attack commencement theorizing.

Best regards

[corey123]

I have no doubt there may have been a struggle, and if so there would have been noise.
But we have a problem, we dont know the duration of the struggle it may have been mary only saying stop then having her throat cut instantly killing her.


Sounds cant link murders, period.

yours truly

[Sox]

I have no doubt there may have been a struggle, and if so there would have been noise.
But we have a problem, we dont know the duration of the struggle it may have been mary only saying stop then having her throat cut instantly killing her.


Sounds cant link murders, period.

yours truly

And we tend to imagine that people can hear much more through brick walls than they actually can.

[corey123]

sox,

Was 13 millers court surrounded by brick walls? Im no expert at sound amplication so Im no use here.

yours truly