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  • #76
    lynn

    Then what your saying is multiple killers that year killed exactly the same way????

    I see you really do have the thought that there is not one killer. But I cannot see that, I dont see that, I see one killer throughout the five killings. I see a very clear connection. I didnt mean to say cannot and I changed it. The reason I know the zodiac didnt have a motive was there is no evidence whatso ever pointing to a solid motive, he killed to kill. And jack did have a signiture, a cut throat, not a stabbed throat. We are talking about killings within london in the year 1888, so you can narrow "tons of murders by cut throat" down to a spare few(and Im not talking about being stabbed in the throat). So I find it safe to say that it is highly likely and plausable that one man killed all five women. I said four out of the five because of some things similar, abdomen was open, organs taken, and organs removed and cut. If someone had a grudge against the whole world(male and femal) why kill only women??? Why not just kill your self to end your hate????

    By the way you havent answered my question.

    yours truly.

    ps. I used PM for perrymason not DM. Thanks.
    Last edited by corey123; 12-21-2009, 12:54 AM.
    Washington Irving:

    "To a homeless man, who has no spot on this wide world which he can truly call his own, there is a momentary feeling of something like independence and territorial consequence, when, after a weary day's travel, he kicks off his boots, thrusts his feet into slippers, and stretches himself before an inn fire. Let the world without go as it may; let kingdoms rise and fall, so long as he has the wherewithal to pay his bills, he is, for the time being, the very monarch of all he surveys. The arm chair in his throne; the poker his sceptre, and the little parlour of some twelve feet square, his undisputed empire. "

    Stratford-on-Avon

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    • #77
      hither and thither

      Hello Corey.

      "I see you really do have the thought that there is not one killer. But I cannot see that, I dont see that, I see one killer throughout the five killings."

      Very well. We all see things arranged in different patterns. No harm in that.

      "The reason I know the zodiac didn[']t have a motive was there is no evidence whatsoever pointing to a solid motive, he killed to kill."

      Well, then, "killing" was his motive, right?

      "And [J}ack did have a sign[a]ture, a cut throat, not a stabbed throat."

      Well, so much for Martha Tabram.

      "We are talking about killings within [L}ondon in the year 1888"

      So, all cut throats in London in 1888 were by Jack? Very well.

      "So I find it safe to say that it is highly likely and plaus[i]ble that one man killed all five women."

      Safe? Of course. No penalties for being mistaken after 121 years. Plausible? Sure. SY found it plausible. So do I. Correct? That's another story.

      "I said four out of the five because of some things similar, abdomen was open, organs taken, and organs removed and cut."

      No organs taken from Polly. Indeed, you might wish to read Trevor Marriott's books and his views about organ removal.

      "If someone had a grudge against the whole world (male and femal[e]) why kill only women?"

      Perhaps he is a coward and a bully.

      "Why not just kill your self to end your hate?"

      Are you sure that self destruction would end your hate?

      Permit me to leave you with this thought. We all divide up what we call the real world in various ways. Some ancient Chinese thinkers claimed 2 categories--that which belongs to the Emperor and, everything else. Aristotle carved it up according to his 10 "Categories"--1 of substance, 9 of accidents. Kant had 12 categories for his basic epistemological paradigm--and space and time (the mind's arrangement, too) preceded them all.

      It is good to look at EVERY angle before arriving at a single view.

      The best.
      LC

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      • #78
        Originally posted by lynn cates View Post
        There may very well be one clever chap--"Jack"--responsible for all C5. Very well. May it be so. But right now, it is little more than a faith claim (indeed, several faith claims--beginning with faith in an external, material reality).
        Hi Lynn

        For those of us who have not been sitting on our backsides for most of our lives contempalting late medieval logic, could you explain "faith in an external, material reality"? You really should get out more you know.

        I do not read all your posts, indeed I normaly get about half way and then give up. I know observers to this site do the same with my posts, so don't worry, you are not alone. One thing could you give me your opinion as to which murders (C5) you consider to be perpetrated by the same hand?

        all the best

        Observer

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        • #79
          Lynn,

          Again must I say that just because marthas throat wasnt cut doesnt mean she isnt a victim, like I have said befor his MO isnt always consistent.

          By the way when did I say every woman with her throat cut was a victim of Jack the Ripper???

          Killing isnt a motive. Motivation would have to include a reason, killing to kill is more of a impulse.

          Lynn, you think that everyone who thought the C5 to be linked to be mistaken?? May I ask, again, why would a killer stop after murdering two women??? And yes killing yourself would end the hate.

          When people say that a killer must follow a distinctive pattern in killing, an identicle one, that just makes my head ache. That is clearly what you and PM believe, and I might add is entirely incorrect.

          yours truly
          Last edited by corey123; 12-21-2009, 01:22 AM.
          Washington Irving:

          "To a homeless man, who has no spot on this wide world which he can truly call his own, there is a momentary feeling of something like independence and territorial consequence, when, after a weary day's travel, he kicks off his boots, thrusts his feet into slippers, and stretches himself before an inn fire. Let the world without go as it may; let kingdoms rise and fall, so long as he has the wherewithal to pay his bills, he is, for the time being, the very monarch of all he surveys. The arm chair in his throne; the poker his sceptre, and the little parlour of some twelve feet square, his undisputed empire. "

          Stratford-on-Avon

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          • #80
            philosophy

            Hello Observer.

            "For those of us who have not been sitting on our backsides for most of our lives contemp[lat]ting late medieval logic, could you explain "faith in an external, material reality"?"

            Sitting on one's "netherlands" is not the best place to think. Pacing works well for me. At any rate, I'd be delighted to explain. The philosophical problem (coming to the fore in the early modern period--not the mediaeval) is to justify (in absolute terms) the purported correspondence between our sensory perceptions and an external, material reality.

            Descartes lined them up based on faith in God. Hume thought of it as habit or custom. Locke, who wished not for certainty, was happy to navigate his "environment." Kant considered it an a priori category of the mind. All these are various expressions of faith--a faith I share, but faith, nonetheless.

            "You really should get out more you know."

            Why? I started as a dustman and worked for about 13 years at it. Now I do other things. Out is good; in is good.

            "I do not read all your posts, indeed I normal[l]y get about half way and then give up."

            No problem.

            "One thing could you give me your opinion as to which murders (C5) you consider to be perpetrated by the same hand?"

            Of course. (Be advised that personal opinions are worth little.) Although I should like to have someone discover a diary entitled, "The life of Dr. Stanley" wherein he confesses to the C5, my personal opinion is that C1 and C2 were by the same hand; C3 is unrelated; C4 and C5 by another. There is also a good possibility that C4 belongs with C1 and C2.

            My opinion and 1 pound should get you a cup of coffee.

            The best.
            LC
            Last edited by lynn cates; 12-21-2009, 01:38 AM.

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            • #81
              once more into the breach dear friends

              Hello Corey.

              "Again must I say that just because [M}artha[']s throat wasn[']t cut doesn[']t mean she isn[']t a victim[. L]ike I have said befor[e] his MO isn[']t always consistent."

              Very well. But you were lining them up based on a cut throat.

              "By the way when did I say every woman with her throat cut was a victim of Jack the Ripper?"

              Excellent! So we can dispose of the London 1888 criterion as well? I'd be delighted.

              "Killing isn[']t a motive. Motivation would have to include a reason, killing to kill is more of a impulse."

              Why can one not be motivated by impulse? It looks like a HUGE motivation from where I sit. You mean a logical reason? I don't think such can be found for what "Jack" did.

              "Lynn, you think that everyone who thought the C5 to be linked to be mistaken?'

              Gee, don't you think those who don't are mistaken?

              "May I ask, again, why would a killer stop after murdering two women?"

              That depends on the murderer's object. Why would one stop after 5?

              "And yes killing yourself would end the hate."

              And we know this because . . . ?

              "When people say that a killer must follow a distinctive pattern in killing, an identic[a]l one, that just makes my head ache."

              Who says this? But Corey, don't you assume this when you lump some together (C5) and don't include others? Why can't Jack leave torsos about?

              "That is clearly what you and PM believe, and I might add is entirely incorrect."

              Perhaps so. And the evidence? Private information?

              The best.
              LC

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              • #82
                lynn

                Clearly this arguement is getting no where, and the purpose of the thread was supposed to be about narcissism(which I fall responsible for changing it ) so lets agree to disagree. Instead of focussing on the victims lets work with my hypothesis eh???
                We both have differing theorys of who the victims are so lets leave it at that.


                yours truly
                Washington Irving:

                "To a homeless man, who has no spot on this wide world which he can truly call his own, there is a momentary feeling of something like independence and territorial consequence, when, after a weary day's travel, he kicks off his boots, thrusts his feet into slippers, and stretches himself before an inn fire. Let the world without go as it may; let kingdoms rise and fall, so long as he has the wherewithal to pay his bills, he is, for the time being, the very monarch of all he surveys. The arm chair in his throne; the poker his sceptre, and the little parlour of some twelve feet square, his undisputed empire. "

                Stratford-on-Avon

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                • #83
                  agreed

                  Hello Corey. Well spoke my lad.

                  Cheers.
                  LC

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                  • #84
                    great

                    Thanks.

                    happy holidays.
                    Washington Irving:

                    "To a homeless man, who has no spot on this wide world which he can truly call his own, there is a momentary feeling of something like independence and territorial consequence, when, after a weary day's travel, he kicks off his boots, thrusts his feet into slippers, and stretches himself before an inn fire. Let the world without go as it may; let kingdoms rise and fall, so long as he has the wherewithal to pay his bills, he is, for the time being, the very monarch of all he surveys. The arm chair in his throne; the poker his sceptre, and the little parlour of some twelve feet square, his undisputed empire. "

                    Stratford-on-Avon

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                    • #85
                      Hi Lynn

                      A Dustman, are you sure it wasn't a ventriloquist?

                      Sherlock Holmes was a pacer, the similarities between you and he stop there though.

                      So our perception of reality, and reality, are two entirely different things? You should know this, I've seen your supposition at work.

                      Five corpses, slit throats, mutilated, 4 months from first to last, within spitting distance of each other, three killers, not likely.

                      all the best

                      Observer
                      Last edited by Observer; 12-21-2009, 02:31 AM.

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                      • #86
                        observer,

                        I couldnt agree less.

                        yours truly
                        Washington Irving:

                        "To a homeless man, who has no spot on this wide world which he can truly call his own, there is a momentary feeling of something like independence and territorial consequence, when, after a weary day's travel, he kicks off his boots, thrusts his feet into slippers, and stretches himself before an inn fire. Let the world without go as it may; let kingdoms rise and fall, so long as he has the wherewithal to pay his bills, he is, for the time being, the very monarch of all he surveys. The arm chair in his throne; the poker his sceptre, and the little parlour of some twelve feet square, his undisputed empire. "

                        Stratford-on-Avon

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                        • #87
                          Hi Corey

                          About what?

                          all the best

                          Observer

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                          • #88
                            PM

                            Hello Observer. Let's not hijack Corey's thread. If you need a response, why not PM me? Or, if you've said a rehearsed piece with no reply needed, I'll bid you:

                            Cheers.
                            LC

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                            • #89
                              observer,

                              With the statement that three different killer is unlikely.

                              yours truly

                              ps. Lynn, I myself hijacked my own thread, dont worry.
                              Washington Irving:

                              "To a homeless man, who has no spot on this wide world which he can truly call his own, there is a momentary feeling of something like independence and territorial consequence, when, after a weary day's travel, he kicks off his boots, thrusts his feet into slippers, and stretches himself before an inn fire. Let the world without go as it may; let kingdoms rise and fall, so long as he has the wherewithal to pay his bills, he is, for the time being, the very monarch of all he surveys. The arm chair in his throne; the poker his sceptre, and the little parlour of some twelve feet square, his undisputed empire. "

                              Stratford-on-Avon

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                              • #90
                                Hi Lynn

                                No need for a pm, I couldn't think of a person here in this forum whom I'd want to pm less. As you say lets just leave it at that.

                                all the best

                                Observer

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