The mind of "Jack The Ripper"`

[corey123]

Thoughts

Anyone else find certain behavioral patters with any of the victems as I have?

[corey123]

theory

That is an interesting theory. So you personally believe only polly,annie, and eddowes to be ripper victems? Can you tell me which victems you link together, because I see a behavioral pattern in the killings, a pattern that sugests like you said he could control his mind, and in my opinion pointed to a killer looking for a quicker and more efficiant kill. But also expressing his rage towards women.

Hi again,

I have a question regarding the threads premise.....to suppose a mental state or condition about Jack the Ripper I would think that you would need some baseline of victims, and in Coreys case and Grave Maurices, that seems to be the Canonical Group as a whole. In which case the killers behaviors and methods that varied within that group would have to be reconciled.

I think most often that is done by assuming these were victims of a serial killer, and as such, the deviations and anomalies are likely a result of reactive behaviours based on the immediate stimuli of the environments and situations. For example, he cuts Mary to pieces because the venue allowed for him to have more time and privacy. He only cuts Liz once because the cart and horse scared him off.

That seems to me to suggest a man that wanted to kill and cut impulsively, not someone who went out to achieve pre-existing objectives.

Well, in the case of the first 2 murders within the Canon the coroner and senior medical authorities believed that both women might have been killed so the killer could obtain the organ only successfully taken from the 2nd victim. That suggests a pre-existing objective.

When there is no physical evidence that can be used to suggest the same kind of single minded killing for any other Canonical murder aside from Kates, .....(no-one has ever suggested that what was done to Mary was done so he could facilitate the heart removal, but again, it was suggested about Polly and Annies murders), I would think the most we could look at to assess the question of the thread are killings that seem most "alike".

And that would be 3, at most, of the 5 Canonicals.

To me that suggests that the Canonical Group likely contains victims of different murderers, and as such, is an invalid baseline to use as a barometer of Jacks probable mental capacities.

Cause the man that killed those 3 women had knife skills and some anatomical knowledge, and that hints at education and a mind that can be controlled.

All the best

[corey123]

Indeed

I am pretty young and from what I have seen I dont have as much experiance as you do but I truly belive that Jack was a learn and go killer.He tried out many different style and found one he liked. He,in my opinion, wasnt very rigid at all,not really sticking with a M.O. all the way through the killings.If you dont mind, may I ask, what is your theory??


yours truly

[The Grave Maurice]

I'm not sure how old you are, Corey, but I suspect that I have been thinking about this much longer than you have and, I must say, I pretty much agree with your theory completely. My only quibble is that I believe Schwartz witnessed an encounter that preceded the arrival of JtR.

[corey123]

Victemology

If you want to hear my theory anyways(victem) then I shall.

My opinion is the first victem taken by "Jack The Ripper" is Martha Tabram. I belive the reason for a different M.O is becaue a killer,like all humans, learns with experience. I belive he killed her with a different style(which did not satisfy him) but with the same intentions, mutilation of the victem. She was stabbed 39 times if I am correct and that, to me, is a fair way to mutilates someone in my opinion.

The second, Polly ,was murdered by him as well. He tried a new method of killing which DID statisfy him, also with the same intentions. As the same with annie.

With Stride, I do belive she was a victem, I belive that what schwartz saw may have been a misinterpretation as something else. I note that he was scared, scared enough to flee, so he probally was panicing and may have not seen what had actually prospired and saw someone totally different. I may be wrong. he saw that at 12:45 and her body was found at !:00 which gives us 15 minutes, and schwartz probally calculated the time to after he fled so we I belive a more probable time to be at 12:35-12:40. Withing that time liz walks into dutsfeild yard. upon leaving I belive the ripper tried yet another method, using partially the same M.O. but not approaching the victem, rather "blitz" styling her. This didnt satisfy him and he was interupted and fled down the ally.

With Kate I belive he still held the urge to mutilate so her found her, applying the same tactics for the second and third victem.

For the last Kelly, I belive the reason for the killing was inside was infact due to circumstances not that he choose to do it but maybe was again experimenting. also taking his mutilating to a new level.

These are my personal opinions and I have thought hard on them..
yours truly

[corey123]

oops

My mistake, I didnt mean to rule out eddowes. Didnt realize I didnt add her, sorry.
I fixed it.

yours truly

[The Grave Maurice]

I truly belive the murders of Martha Tabran, Mary ann Nichols, Annie Chapman, Elizebeth Stride, and Mary Jane Kelly to be the work of the serial killer known as "jack the ripper"

This is interesting. I don't believe I've ever heard a theory that rules out Eddowes, of all people. Pray continue.

[corey123]

My senerio

May be that(as I do belive liz to be a ripper victem) that jack(who had only killed three people before her)May have just wanted to try something new,and as you said , the style of kates murder isnt nescicerily sloopy and doesnt show the signs of a enraged assalent.

yours truly

I think I can envision a scenario that includes Jack and also explains the cachous, but it would require that Dutfields Yard was not empty as it was noted to be at 12:40am by both Eagle returning and and Lave going back indoors to his cottage.

You could use either Brown or Schwartz with it as well.

The issue would be that the man would almost certainly have been intent on Liz Strides murder but nothing more than that. And for that reason I feel it doesnt work....I dont see any reason to assign a misfire or an anomaly within any series he might have committed without some evidence that such a thing occurred. We dont have either physical or circumstantial evidence that marries well with the other more probable Ripper victims in the murder of Liz.

I feel fairly certain that the killer we look for only killed so he could "rip", and therefore I see no value for him in the murder of Liz Stride. The idea that a misfire caused him to do even more terrible damage to Kate who was next doesnt work either, there are only a few things in that murder that suggest an "escalation" of the mutilations that he performed on Polly and Annie, and he takes what is likely his least amount of time with any victim to accomplish them. If anything, it appears he increased his efficiency if he first kills Liz....hes not demonstrably pissed off and sloppy.

Best regards all.

[corey123]

Befor I continue I must state my basis`

I truly belive the murders of Martha Tabran, Mary ann Nichols, Annie Chapman, Elizebeth Stride,Catherine Eddowes, and Mary Jane Kelly to be the work of the serial killer known as "jack the ripper". I am going to state my over all theory once, not mutiple times.

In my mind "jack the ripper" was a disturbed man. He had a profound hatred towards the femal race and prostitues in general. All his life pent up anger built up inside the ripper and he relased that anger first by killing Martha. She was the first of a series of murders to release all that pent up anger.

The M.O doesnt matter, only the ritual. The weapon doesnt matter, only the ritual does. He likes to de-feminize and de-humanize these women. He kills for joy and enjoys his feeling of domanice over life whilst doing so, which compells him to kill again and again. The reason JTR used the M.O associated with these murders(C5) is because he was comfortable with it, it played out well with him. I belive the degree of mutilation increase to the scale of Kellys was caused by the location of the crime and how much time was availiable, and also because of the learnt experiance he got with each kill.

In the case of Kelly he took full advantage of the location, fully stripping the flesh off the bones and removing the viscera from the body. He liked the publicly displaying the victems. I also belive he enjoyed the public attention he was recieving, but liked to watch from the sidelines, not throwing himself into the investigation. I dont belive he wished to be caught and I think he carefully exicuted his murders. I even view Kellys murder as public even though it was indoors, which I think he knew that there would be several people who would veiw the body and would creat an uproar in Millers Court, in which it did. My opinion is that those six murders, and maybe more, are connected without a dout. I belive the ripper first killed to relieve himself of that pent up anger then realized that he enjoyed killing which is why he went above and beyond overkill.

He prefered a quick, struggless death by knife but wasnt as rigid as many may think. He killed with a passion to harm these women as much as was physically and mentally possible to him. I know he was a skilled linguistic who led a mostly normal life. He held a weekly job and want suspected.

Im not asking you to belive or go by my theory I just need to state it befor I continue.

yours truly

[lynn cates]

Schwartz

Hello M & P.

"I can't remember how long it was between the broad-shouldered man roughing Liz up till the time that the pony rounded the corner."

I suppose one could just ignore the Schwartz story?

"I don't see why . . . he wouldn't want a bit of the old, y'know"

You mean lip service? Hold your tongue!

The best.
LC

[Mascara & Paranoia]

The only thing that might be a bit of an issue with the scenario is the timing of things, I can't remember how long it was between the broad-shouldered man roughing Liz up till the time that the pony rounded the corner.

Regarding the Ripper funtioning properly, I don't see why he wouldn't, or why he wouldn't want a bit of the old, y'know. I doubt he had erectile dysfunction of any sort and so he probably was interest in sex; his crimes certainly seem to point towards that being the case in a really odd sort of way.

[c.d.]

Hi Lynn,

The stable doesn't seem the most romantic place to conduct one's business but hey that's just me. And since it takes two to tango, Dutfield's Yard would have been a better choice for Liz -- a privy where she could clean up afterwords and people close by should she need to yell for help.

c.d.

"Roll in the Hay" -- that was a good one.

c.d.

[lynn cates]

hay

Hello CD. It is possible. But wouldn't the stable at the end of the yard be the best place for a roll in the hay? (Forgive me, the urge was overwhelming.)

The best.
LC