Jack's housing arrangements

[jerryd]

Hi Steve,

This is the one.

It is near to the place where John Arnold lived and where he met the police officer who warned him about the murder in Backchurch Lane.

It is not far from the Royal Courts of Justice.

Regards, Pierre

Pierre,

That doesn't answer the question. Did your suspect live in the hospital? You specifically wrote King William Street as a possible residence. The other being in Whitechapel. What housing arrangement was on King William Street that your suspect lived in?

[jerryd]

Hi,
I have a hunch he lived the other side of Mitre square, and he was on his way there when he encountered Eddowes, and possibly headed that way after killing Kelly, [ the man seen hurrying through the square bloodstained around 10.10am the morning of the 9th Nov.
Regards Richard,

I've had the same thought, Richard. I was thinking other side being on the north, though, near the Rose and Crown coffee shop on Houndsditch. This would coincide with Blenkinsop's sighting of a respectable man asking if a man and woman came by him in St James passage.

[Elamarna]

Jerry

with regards to king William street, it looks as if there were no houses on the north side, the hospital occupying most of it.

Steve

[jerryd]

Jerry

with regards to king William street, it looks as if there were no houses on the north side, the hospital occupying most of it.

Steve

Thanks Steve,

I'm pretty sure Pierre has no answer for his claim, but I'm use to that. Toole's Theatre, formerly Polygraphic Hall, was there as well until 1896.

[Pierre]

Hi,
I have a hunch he lived the other side of Mitre square, and he was on his way there when he encountered Eddowes, and possibly headed that way after killing Kelly, [ the man seen hurrying through the square bloodstained around 10.10am the morning of the 9th Nov.
Regards Richard,

Hi Richard,

Thanks for sharing your thoughts. But why is there any reason to think that he would show up with bloodstains in the street in broad daylight?

Regards, Pierre

[Pierre]

Pierre,

That doesn't answer the question. Did your suspect live in the hospital? You specifically wrote King William Street as a possible residence. The other being in Whitechapel. What housing arrangement was on King William Street that your suspect lived in?

Hi Jerry,

There is no reason to think he stayed in a hospital.

Regards, Pierre

[jerryd]

Hi Jerry,

There is no reason to think he stayed in a hospital.

Regards, Pierre

Hi Pierre,

Thank you! Just to clarify, you do believe he had a residence in King William Street during the time of the murders?

[Pierre]

Hi Pierre,

Thank you! Just to clarify, you do believe he had a residence in King William Street during the time of the murders?

You are using the word "believe". I donīt believe in the past but I try different hypotheses for a history about the past. The validity and reliability of the sources which is the foundation for history must always be called into question.

And I donīt think the hypothesis about King William Street is very important. If he hypothetically lived there during the murder period it could have been a very convenient place for him, a necessary place.

But it is more important to analyse the sources for where he hypothetically could have stayed in Whitechapel.

Regards, Pierre

[Elamarna]

Hi Pierre,

Thank you! Just to clarify, you do believe he had a residence in King William Street during the time of the murders?

If he is staying there his options are a little limited.

Mainly shops, which house the families/owners may have stayed, but no privacy surely
public house- may have rented rooms.
several offices, possibly staying upper floors, this may give more privacy than shops.
2 dwellings- so those are certainly possible.

other buildings are entrance to restaurant, and theatre.

This may mean there is no record anywhere of such a stay, unless mentioned by man himself.

Steve

[Pierre]

If he is staying there his options are a little limited.

Mainly shops, which house the families/owners may have stayed, but no privacy surely
public house- may have rented rooms.
several offices, possibly staying upper floors, this may give more privacy than shops.
2 dwellings- so those are certainly possible.

other buildings are entrance to restaurant, and theatre.

This may mean there is no record anywhere of such a stay, unless mentioned by man himself.

Steve

Hi Steve,

Do you have a source for your statements?

Regards, Pierre

[Elamarna]

You are using the word "believe". I donīt believe in the past but I try different hypotheses for a history about the past. The validity and reliability of the sources which is the foundation for history must always be called into question.

And I donīt think the hypothesis about King William Street is very important. If he hypothetically lived there during the murder period it could have been a very convenient place for him, a necessary place.

But it is more important to analyse the sources for where he hypothetically could have stayed in Whitechapel.

Regards, Pierre

Pierre

With regards to King William street why would it have been convenient for him?
Is this because of its location across the road from a major rail terminus? Just wondering what would make that location handy for him.

With regards to Whitechapel, why do you suggested he would need a place there?
I mean king william street is certainly within walking distance.

Steve

[jerryd]

Pierre

You've mentioned King William Street at least twice in different threads in regard to your suspect. In this thread, which is about "Jack's housing arrangements", you hypothesize your suspect may have had a residence/bolthole/convenient place in that street, you must have a reason for the basis of your hypothesis? Can that be disclosed?

[Elamarna]

Hi Steve,

Do you have a source for your statements?

Regards, Pierre

Pierre

yes goad map

http://www.bl.uk/onlinegallery/onlineex/firemaps/england/london/vitox/zoomify150494.html

Steve

[Elamarna]

Hi Steve,

Do you have a source for your statements?

Regards, Pierre

Pierre

Forgot to mention, checking the census records for say 81 and 91 should give some idea of what degree of letting was taking place in the street.

Steve

[Pierre]

Pierre

yes goad map

http://www.bl.uk/onlinegallery/onlineex/firemaps/england/london/vitox/zoomify150494.html

Steve

The old Goad map, yes.

Regards, Pierre