How did JtR see in the dark?

[Joshua Rogan]

Inspector Chandler

The jacket was hooked at the top, and buttoned down the front. By the appearance of the garment there did not seem to have been any struggle.

Suggests that the jacket was buttoned up with a part of the intestine coming out at the top on to the shoulder .

No it doesn't.

[Sam Flynn]

"Suggests that the jacket was buttoned up with a part of the intestine coming out at the top on to the shoulder"

WTF?!!!

[Herlock Sholmes]

[QUOTE=packers stem;n711923]

What makes you think anybody appeared on a cart and walked any sort of length down the street ?

Because I’m trying to deduce what’s being suggested here in the absence of you simply telling me what you mean. If you are suggesting that these women weren’t killed where they were found what do you mean?

[Abby Normal]

[QUOTE=Herlock Sholmes;n711963]

Because I’m trying to deduce what’s being suggested here in the absence of you simply telling me what you mean. If you are suggesting that these women weren’t killed where they were found what do you mean?

hs
sent you a pm

[Herlock Sholmes]

[QUOTE=Abby Normal;n712000]

hs
sent you a pm

Got it

[packers stem]

No it doesn't.

And why would that be ?

[packers stem]

[QUOTE=Herlock Sholmes;n711963]

Because I’m trying to deduce what’s being suggested here in the absence of you simply telling me what you mean. If you are suggesting that these women weren’t killed where they were found what do you mean?

Well if no cart and if the basic facts make the idea of being killed in situ unlikely (Chapman) , impossible (Eddowes) what are the options .
They're limited but there is an obvious one

[packers stem]

"Suggests that the jacket was buttoned up with a part of the intestine coming out at the top on to the shoulder"

WTF?!!!

Well .That's his testimony ,
whether you like it or not ...

[Herlock Sholmes]

[QUOTE=packers stem;n712339]

Well if no cart and if the basic facts make the idea of being killed in situ unlikely (Chapman) , impossible (Eddowes) what are the options .
They're limited but there is an obvious one

But the facts in no way make it unlikely that Chapman was killed where she was or impossible the Eddowes was killed where she was. The evidence is overwhelming that were both killed there. The alternative is fiction.

[packers stem]

[QUOTE=Herlock Sholmes;n712352]

But the facts in no way make it unlikely that Chapman was killed where she was or impossible the Eddowes was killed where she was. The evidence is overwhelming that were both killed there. The alternative is fiction.

There is zero overwhelming evidence .Just interpretations by those who wish to believe .
Ignoring Phillips in Hanbury, excuses for lighting , the ridiculous, unfounded belief in 'slash and grab' ......
it's not 'evidence' it's alternate reality

[Herlock Sholmes]

[QUOTE=packers stem;n712356]

There is zero overwhelming evidence .Just interpretations by those who wish to believe .
Ignoring Phillips in Hanbury, excuses for lighting , the ridiculous, unfounded belief in 'slash and grab' ......
it's not 'evidence' it's alternate reality

It’s not a case of ignoring Phillips it’s a case of accepting the undoubted fact that estimating a TOD at this time could be wildly inaccurate due the knowledge available. This isn’t an interpretation it’s accepting what real medical experts tell us. You know, people that really know what they’re talking about on the subject. This is inconvenient to some but facts are facts. They aren’t malleable just to accommodate a theory.

[packers stem]

[QUOTE=Herlock Sholmes;n712358]

It’s not a case of ignoring Phillips it’s a case of accepting the undoubted fact that estimating a TOD at this time could be wildly inaccurate due the knowledge available. This isn’t an interpretation it’s accepting what real medical experts tell us. You know, people that really know what they’re talking about on the subject. This is inconvenient to some but facts are facts. They aren’t malleable just to accommodate a theory.

Brown arrived in Mitre Square at 2.20
The body was still warm , despite it being colder and wetter than in the Chapman case .
He gave an accurate expected TOD
Nobody disagrees
Phillips however .....
Why ?
Simply because Richardson saw nothing , when he had to had a body been there while it was starting to get light .
You adjust your overwhelming evidence to fit the 'serial killer' narrative where it suits do you not ?

[Herlock Sholmes]

[QUOTE=packers stem;n712361]

Brown arrived in Mitre Square at 2.20
The body was still warm , despite it being colder and wetter than in the Chapman case .
He gave an accurate expected TOD
Nobody disagrees
Phillips however .....
Why ?
Simply because Richardson saw nothing , when he had to had a body been there while it was starting to get light .
You adjust your overwhelming evidence to fit the 'serial killer' narrative where it suits do you not ?

I adjust nothing. There is no serial killer narrative. JTR was a serial killer. The notion that someone would kill those women and then dump them elsewhere defies reason. The women were killed where they were found. All else is laughable.

[packers stem]

[QUOTE=Herlock Sholmes;n712369]

I adjust nothing. There is no serial killer narrative. JTR was a serial killer. The notion that someone would kill those women and then dump them elsewhere defies reason. The women were killed where they were found. All else is laughable.

Is it also laughable that the deaths of the torso victims took place at different locations ?

You say you adjust nothing but you will be selective with witness testimony, ignoring the strongest should it oppose the theory and accept the weaker should it not be an obstruction ,make up lighting where there was none and claim that the local gardner was capable of removing a kidney in said lighting , to prove to yourself and others that a random local serial killer was on the loose .

The 'reason' is really quite simple and straight forward and once you realise it , it explains plenty

[Herlock Sholmes]

The Torso Victims were body parts. They didn’t require someone carrying a fully clothed corpse along a street unnoticed. The question therefore is why would someone do this?
Could someone remove a kidney in that lighting? Apparently yes because it happened. How do you know that the killer was unskilled?
Theres nothing ever straight forward about a conspiracy theory but they’re easy to come up with. Find an error and label it deliberate. Find a coincidence a label it impossible. Find an unknown and fill the gap. Label the obvious as too obvious. Reply to an inconvenient statement with “well they would say that wouldn’t they?” There’s not a shred of evidence that those women weren’t killed were they were found. Nor is there any evidence that The Illuminati were harvesting the organs to bury in the grounds of Rosslyn Chapel to bring on the Second Coming of a messiah called Colin either. Jack the Ripper was a serial killer, working alone, killing women in the street for reasons known only to himself.