Geoprofile of Jack the Ripper reveals Tabram and Nichols connection.

[Fisherman]

Serial Killers having a mental illness does not make the mentally ill serial killers.

So when did somebody suggest that this was so? Why bring it up when nobody champions the idea?

[Batman]

No ****, batman

I said nothing about mental illness.

you brought up violence.

that's what I was responding to.

I was most certainly talking about mental illness though.

Here it is again...

In general mental illness has no relationship to crime what-so-ever.

However, if we read the specifics about a person's case, we may find elements that point to violence.

For Levy, this is what was said by King in his article...

Additional observations during his term at Stone was that his wife had complained that he almost ruined her business: "he also feels that if he is not restrained he will do some violence to someone; he complains about hearing strange noises; cries for no reason; feels compelled to do acts that his conscience cannot stand; and has a conscience of a feeling of exaltation". His wife also revealed that he was formerly a shrewd businessman and that "he does not sleep at nights and wanders around aimlessly for hours".

I think an investigator upon reading that would find it another thing that points at Levy at not away from him.

[Batman]

don't buy it-all these higher ups made mistakes on details. to get a name like kosminski mixed up-nah.

two police name him.and specific events involving him.

the suspect was kosminsky not levy, or cohen. Kosminsky.

end of.

Swanson talks about the specific event of his death... while he was still alive.

So he can't be right, can he?

[Abby Normal]

Serial Killers having a mental illness does not make the mentally ill serial killers.

That's the point I want to get across.

No ****, batman

I said nothing about mental illness.

you brought up violence.

that's what I was responding to.

[Harry D]

no linky no ticky

Michael Ostrog has a link to the case. He was named by a senior policeman.

Does that make him a stronger suspect than Levy, even though we know it was impossible for Ostrog to have carried out the murders?

How many serial killers have "links" to the case before they are identified?

[Abby Normal]

None of the suspects have direct evidence implicating them except for Kozminski who has a witness identification again him. Back then witness identification would be considered direct evidence against someone. Today it is still a valid form of evidence.

When we talk about these matters we talk about direct evidence and circumstantial evidence.

If Levy was brought to court, all those matters we have discussed so far are circumstantial evidence that would be used against him.

Obviously far more is needed to prove he is JtR.

However a strong candidate he is because of several lines of circumstantial pointing at him.

circumstantial evidence has to be evidence directly tied to an individual, not some nebulous profile.

[Batman]

actually batman
the history of serial killers point to a post mortem type serial killer as not being publically known to be violent or having a violent criminal police record and or abusive toward their victims of choice: Dahmer, Gein, bundy,brudos etc.


known overt physical abuse-thug types-usually don't tend to be the post mortem mutilater kind.

Serial Killers having a mental illness does not make the mentally ill serial killers.

That's the point I want to get across.

[Abby Normal]

Swanson can't be correct. Kozminski was alive when Swanson wrote he was dead. Levy was dead though.

McNaughten is mostly learning the case from reading reports and learning from others as he wasn't there. So for all intents and purposes, McNaughton is copying what others are saying.

Kozminski was probably a suspect.

Anderson mentions a suspect who was a low-class Polish Jew. Doesn't name him.

Swanson says it was Kozminski and then gives us some wrong details.

don't buy it-all these higher ups made mistakes on details. to get a name like kosminski mixed up-nah.

two police name him.and specific events involving him.

the suspect was kosminsky not levy, or cohen. Kosminsky.

end of.

[Fisherman]

no linky no ticky

Short and sweet, Abby.

[Fisherman]

None of the suspects have direct evidence implicating them except for Kozminski who has a witness identification again him. Back then witness identification would be considered direct evidence against someone. Today it is still a valid form of evidence.

When we talk about these matters we talk about direct evidence and circumstantial evidence.

If Levy was brought to court, all those matters we have discussed so far are circumstantial evidence that would be used against him.

Obviously far more is needed to prove he is JtR.

However a strong candidate he is because of several lines of circumstantial pointing at him.

Jacob Levy would never be brought to court, though, would he? And the reason is simple enough and already divulged - he has absolutely nothing linking him to the case as such.
He is therefore NOT a strong candidate at all, he is instead somebody who ticks some people's boxes, that's all.
There are plenty of people who DO have a connection to the case, but Levy is not one of them.

[Abby Normal]

Jacob Levy lived slap-bang in the middle of Ripper territory, was a butcher, engaged in petty crime (theft), was committed to an asylum as a maniac in 1890 and died from complications of a sexually transmitted disease shortly thereafter. Furthermore, he was of moderate height and aged in his early 30s at the time of the Ripper murders, which compares reasonably well with many witness descriptions of the potential killer.

That's a far more potent list of ingredients than most Ripper suspects can boast.

no linky no ticky

[Abby Normal]

In general mental illness has no relationship to crime what-so-ever.

However, if we read the specifics about a person's case, we may find elements that point to violence.

For Levy, this is what was said by King in his article...

Additional observations during his term at Stone was that his wife had complained that he almost ruined her business: "he also feels that if he is not restrained he will do some violence to someone; he complains about hearing strange noises; cries for no reason; feels compelled to do acts that his conscience cannot stand; and has a conscience of a feeling of exaltation". His wife also revealed that he was formerly a shrewd businessman and that "he does not sleep at nights and wanders around aimlessly for hours".

I think an investigator upon reading that would find it another thing that points at Levy at not away from him.

actually batman
the history of serial killers point to a post mortem type serial killer as not being publically known to be violent or having a violent criminal police record and or abusive toward their victims of choice: Dahmer, Gein, bundy,brudos etc.


known overt physical abuse-thug types-usually don't tend to be the post mortem mutilater kind.

[Batman]

He has no links to the case nevertheless.

None of the suspects have direct evidence implicating them except for Kozminski who has a witness identification again him. Back then witness identification would be considered direct evidence against someone. Today it is still a valid form of evidence.

When we talk about these matters we talk about direct evidence and circumstantial evidence.

If Levy was brought to court, all those matters we have discussed so far are circumstantial evidence that would be used against him.

Obviously far more is needed to prove he is JtR.

However a strong candidate he is because of several lines of circumstantial pointing at him.

[Batman]

Now that all being said-my issue with Jacob levy is this--what more really is he than another crazy jew in a long line of crazy jews put forth by the "profile" of Anderson and his suspect kosminski? and I agree with sam, kosminski is named by swanson AND McNaughten-no evidence of any mix up. I abhor the convoluted name mix up theories. mere muddle upon muddle IMHO.

Swanson can't be correct. Kozminski was alive when Swanson wrote he was dead. Levy was dead though.

McNaughten is mostly learning the case from reading reports and learning from others as he wasn't there. So for all intents and purposes, McNaughton is copying what others are saying.

Kozminski was probably a suspect.

Anderson mentions a suspect who was a low-class Polish Jew. Doesn't name him.

Swanson says it was Kozminski and then gives us some wrong details.

[Fisherman]

Jacob Levy lived slap-bang in the middle of Ripper territory, was a butcher, engaged in petty crime (theft), was committed to an asylum as a maniac in 1890 and died from complications of a sexually transmitted disease shortly thereafter. Furthermore, he was of moderate height and aged in his early 30s at the time of the Ripper murders, which compares reasonably well with many witness descriptions of the potential killer.

That's a far more potent list of ingredients than most Ripper suspects can boast.

He has no links to the case nevertheless.