Geoprofile of Jack the Ripper reveals Tabram and Nichols connection.

[Trevor Marriott]

This is from Walter Dew's memoirs, expressing a belief that Smith was a Ripper victim: https://www.casebook.org/ripper_medi...walterdew.html

To much emphasis is put on police officers beliefs and opinions. When it comes down to reality, none seem to be singing from the same songsheet with regards to many aspects of the case. Some made it up, some deliberately lied, and others just went along for the ride !

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[Trevor Marriott]

I have been considering that a police constables truncheon is the weapon that was inserted into her to cause the damage and would explain why she/they are afraid to reveal the culprit.

That would not cause the kind of damage she suffered

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[Trevor Marriott]

Good Morning Trevor

Glasgow Herald Feb 12th 1895:
Although the charge sheet defines the charge as wounding in the abdomen, it is said that the wound is internal and of serious character.

Hi John

Well again with Ripperolgy, you pays your money and you makes your choice as how reports are interpreted.

Internal damage would be caused by stabbing would it not ?

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[Batman]

That would not cause the kind of damage she suffered

How could a truncheon which is basically a thick wooden pole not cause that kind of damage?

She isn't made of metal.

Sounds to me what you really want to say is that a police constable would never do such a thing.

[MrBarnett]

"Your post implies"...

In short, it doesn't say what you want it to say, so you make up what you want me to say.

Writing off Emma Smith, as you would like, ends up with Emma Smith not been written off. Talking about JtR crimes without Tabram and without Smith is in today's JtR true crime 'twisting the facts'.

Walter Dew, of H division, who was there throughout the ripper murders, thought her a victim of JtR, that is why she is there, as well as Tabram. So some investigators at the time thought she was. Your revisionism only accepts those investigators that didn't and tries to sell a coincidence of sexual homicides in the same few hundred meter area.

Do you subscribe to this little area of Whitechapel being a *special* place also where similar sexual homicides as just commonplace and the media just hyped one or two them?

Walter Dew also gives a list of 'certain' ripper victims which does not include Smith. He had a 'coppers hunch' is all it boils down to. Other coppers had conflicting hunches.

And Dew also mentions that the police initially suspect a 'blackmail gang' of having committed the Smith attack. I wonder what sort of thing those boys got up to?

'Give us your money or we'll tell your husband you've been naughty.' That kind of thing? Surely they never resorted to violence? And even if they had, they surely wouldn't have done anything as repugnant as what was done to Emma. Even Whitechapel blackmail gangs had standards.

[MrBarnett]

To much emphasis is put on police officers beliefs and opinions. When it comes down to reality, none seem to be singing from the same songsheet with regards to many aspects of the case. Some made it up, some deliberately lied, and others just went along for the ride !

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Exactly, Trevor.

I've done a lot of research into a character named Billy Maher who features in Ben Leeson's memoirs as Billy Meers. Certain of Leeson's anecdotes are recognisable as actual events in Maher's life, but there are significant differences. Much like the ramblings of old Arthur Harding which some historians use as a source. There's a lot of conjecture dressed up as personal knowledge.

[John G]

Has it been ascertained that there were only two?

No, but that's just the point. Emma Smith seemed confused as to just how many people were involved, which at least raises questions about the reliability of her evidence, but believed it to be at least two.

[Jon Guy]

Hi John

Well again with Ripperolgy, you pays your money and you makes your choice as how reports are interpreted.

Internal damage would be caused by stabbing would it not ?

Hi Trevor

I`m not trying to persuade you. This was just the first report that I came across, I`ll dig out Alice Graham`s own account in a bit.

[Batman]

No, but that's just the point. Emma Smith seemed confused as to just how many people were involved, which at least raises questions about the reliability of her evidence, but believed it to be at least two.

Emma Smith's story is about as real as Mary Ann Connelly's.

There is no evidence that gangs, in any part of the East End, let alone Whitechapel, let alone this very small few hundred meters square area, were involved in sexual attacks on women's vagina areas. This is what detractors of Smith as a JtR victim don't have. They have nothing here at all.

What also makes this part of Whitechapel "unique" are these attacks which were happening there and Smith is the first we know about with certainty was attacked this way.

[Sam Flynn]

Emma Smith's story is about as real as Mary Ann Connelly's.

And we actually know that?

There is no evidence that gangs, in any part of the East End, let alone Whitechapel, let alone this very small few hundred meters square area, were involved in sexual attacks on women's vagina areas.

Who's to say this wasn't a one-off, by two (or more) yobbos, one of whom got carried away? If not, it very much looks like it.

This is what detractors of Smith as a JtR victim don't have. They have nothing here at all.

On the contrary, there is Emma Smith's account itself and, if confirmation-bias leads you to disbelieve that, there's the plain fact that she was violated by a blunt instrument, as attested by the surgeon who examined her. This wasn't even a knife-wound, never mind a Ripper murder.

What also makes this part of Whitechapel "unique" are these attacks which were happening there and Smith is the first we know about with certainty was attacked this way.

Tabram, Nichols, Chapman et al weren't violated with a blunt instrument.

[Trevor Marriott]

How could a truncheon which is basically a thick wooden pole not cause that kind of damage?

She isn't made of metal.

Sounds to me what you really want to say is that a police constable would never do such a thing.

No, I am saying that a truncheon with a rounded end with a smooth surface would not cause the kind of damage inflicted on her

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[Jon Guy]

Hi Trev

Lloyds Weekly 3rd March 1895

From the report of the Worship Street hearing:
Mr Hubert Rutier (sic) house surgeon of London Hospital, deposed to the nature of the injury, which was an internal wound, serious, but not dangerous

[MrBarnett]

In 1883, a woman named Elizabeth Alston was found dead in a pool of her own blood in Preston. The post-mortem determined she had been 'horribly outraged' by a blunt instrument.

It turned out that the culprit was a man named Thomas Riley, with whom she had been drinking, and who was seen leaving her house on the night of her murder.

Now, if saucy Jack had turned up in the next street and committed one of his trade mark disembowellments, some people would calling for Riley's conviction to be overturned.

[MrBarnett]

Emma Smith's story is about as real as Mary Ann Connelly's.

There is no evidence that gangs, in any part of the East End, let alone Whitechapel, let alone this very small few hundred meters square area, were involved in sexual attacks on women's vagina areas. This is what detractors of Smith as a JtR victim don't have. They have nothing here at all.

What also makes this part of Whitechapel "unique" are these attacks which were happening there and Smith is the first we know about with certainty was attacked this way.

Why do you exclude Annie Millwood?

[Batman]

Why do you exclude Annie Millwood?

Read my last sentence you quoted again.

I didn't exclude Annie Millwood.