Hate

[Pierre]

Let us elaborate on the concept of "hate".

Did Jack the Ripper feel hate and if he did, how and why?

How was it visible in the crimes?

What was the object for his hate?

Why was there hate?

Did the hate preceed every murder in some specific way?

When the murders started, how did hate influence this?

When the murders stopped, had the hate also stopped?

Or are there no signs of hate in the murder cases?

Regards, Pierre

[Elamarna]

Let us elaborate on the concept of "hate".

Did Jack the Ripper feel hate and if he did, how and why?

Pierre

Of course not knowing who he was, it is not possible to answer this very specific question about his emotional state or the following specific questions

Any response would be pure speculation, with no sources available to back up any discussion.

steve

[Elamarna]

Let us elaborate on the concept of "hate".

Did Jack the Ripper feel hate and if he did, how and why?

How was it visible in the crimes?

What was the object for his hate?

Why was there hate?

Did the hate preceed every murder in some specific way?

When the murders started, how did hate influence this?

When the murders stopped, had the hate also stopped?

Or are there no signs of hate in the murder cases?

Regards, Pierre

Of course Pierre if you told us a name that would be very different would it not.


Steve

[kjab3112]

Let us elaborate on the concept of "hate".

Did Jack the Ripper feel hate and if he did, how and why?

How was it visible in the crimes?

What was the object for his hate?

Why was there hate?

Did the hate preceed every murder in some specific way?

When the murders started, how did hate influence this?

When the murders stopped, had the hate also stopped?

Or are there no signs of hate in the murder cases?

Regards, Pierre

Who is to say it wasn't pleasure?

Paul

[Elamarna]

Who is to say it wasn't pleasure?

Paul

Nice response Paul, certainly could have been


steve

[Pierre]

Nice response Paul, certainly could have been
steve

Of course it was pleasure too.

But the question here was about the concept of hate.

Pierre

[Elamarna]

Of course it was pleasure too.

But the question here was about the concept of hate.

Pierre

I beg to differ Pierre, it is not about the concept of hate, which is a far ranging question, rather it is a specific set of questions about the emotional state of an unknown individual and is there fore unanswerable in that form.


Any answers being pure speculation.

steve

[GUT]

I beg to differ Pierre, it is not about the concept of hate, which is a far ranging question, rather it is a specific set of questions about the emotional state of an unknown individual and is there fore unanswerable in that form.


Any answers being pure speculation.

steve

Save to great scientist/social scientists/ historians or whatever they chose to be.

Motive is worthless without a suspect.

It is really that simple.

[kjab3112]

Save to great scientist/social scientists/ historians or whatever they chose to be.

Motive is worthless without a suspect.

It is really that simple.

As a dumb true scientist, I would argue the opposite. To find a suspect one needs a motive. Namely the Holmesian collect all the data one can and then once you have excluded the impossible, what remains however improbable is the truth. If one starts with the open statement of the murders were for hate then it will automatically limit ones view much in the same way of fitting a diagnosis to fit the symptoms rather than building the symptoms to fit the disease.

I assume (but can't prove) that Abberline et al sought every whore beater and woman hater back in 1888, why? Because he must hate women! Why can it not be the exact opposite? He purely loved and enjoyed the pleasure of killing and destruction!

Paul

[John Wheat]

As a dumb true scientist, I would argue the opposite. To find a suspect one needs a motive. Namely the Holmesian collect all the data one can and then once you have excluded the impossible, what remains however improbable is the truth. If one starts with the open statement of the murders were for hate then it will automatically limit ones view much in the same way of fitting a diagnosis to fit the symptoms rather than building the symptoms to fit the disease.

I assume (but can't prove) that Abberline et al sought every whore beater and woman hater back in 1888, why? Because he must hate women! Why can it not be the exact opposite? He purely loved and enjoyed the pleasure of killing and destruction!

Paul

Hi Paul

I think it's odds on Jack was a woman hater. However it's also odds on he got a sexual thrill from mutilation.

Cheers John

[Robert St Devil]

So far as we know...

Your last sentence is incomplete and misleading, Paul. Other than the public,s faltering confidence in Metro, he didn,t destroy anything. Well, possibly some evidence in Mary Kelly,s room, but not much more than that. And, we can,t say that he purely loved killing; tho, he may have enjoyed killing women.

Love and hate don,t necessarily reduce the impossibilities. It would only serve that Abberline would now have to chase after all of the women lovers too. Considering this number alongside the number of abusive men in 1888, he would be chasing after most of London. It,s an aspect of profiling that doesn,t work here.

Pierre can,t think that Jack the Ripper hated killing because Pierre compared him to a tiger. Tigers don,t hate killing. They may ,,love,, the hunt and eating, but not in human terms.



Holmes had his chance to catch Jack the Ripper. Sir AC Doyle was 58 and in London at the time of.

[HelenaWojtczak]

Pierre can,t think that Jack the Ripper hated killing because Pierre compared him to a tiger. Tigers don,t hate killing. They may ,,love,, the hunt and eating, but not in human terms.

This doesn't make any sense to me.

Tigers don't kill for the love of killing, but because primeval instincts drive them to eat to survive and, for a carnivore, this involves killing.

Helena

[Mayerling]

It could most emphatically been a case of hate - if all the victims tended to be narcissistic dolts who thought they were the only intelligent people on earth, that their vague methodologies of thought and perception were the only true ones, and that their so-called grasp of such subjects as science, history, and even early forms of sociology were the only true ones in the universe - and insisted on these views with all their "Johns", one fed up "John" could easily have switched into a hating "Jack". Indeed, thinking about such a situation, one almost could sympathize with it!

Jeff

[Robert]

I tend to visualise Jack's mind as a bit of a stew - everything chucked into the pot and you're never quite sure what will appear on each spoonful. There was probably more than one motive, and hate, or resentment or revenge - call it what you will - was one of the motives, perhaps the main one. I think it's worth remembering that he only killed women. Some people say that was because they were easily available. But there were other vulnerable groups - e.g. elderly male beggars, or children. Yet he leaves those alone.

[Michael W Richards]

Let us elaborate on the concept of "hate".

Did Jack the Ripper feel hate and if he did, how and why?

How was it visible in the crimes?

What was the object for his hate?

Why was there hate?

Did the hate preceed every murder in some specific way?

When the murders started, how did hate influence this?

When the murders stopped, had the hate also stopped?

Or are there no signs of hate in the murder cases?

Regards, Pierre

Hatred, or more specifically Anger, is clearly seen in the remains of Mary Kelly. For one, its the first appearance of random slashing of a face, something almost always linked with crimes involving some form of passion. Love and Hate are equal opposites, but the line between them is fine.