Abberline solved the GSG

[lynn cates]

all in jeopardy

Hello CD. Thanks.

"And the club members were so loyal to each other that they were willing to protect a murderer in their midst?"

They likely felt that ALL could be in jeopardy. Recall: they came from a culture where that was common practise.

As Tom Wescott has pointed out, think about the American Haymarket Riots.

Cheers.
LC

[DVV]

IF there is a BSM, look no further--he is your killer.
LC

True, Lynn.
And there was a BSM.
Or should I say a RSM ?

Slainte

[c.d.]

Hello Lynn,

If Schwartz had no fear of lying since it could not be discovered, why not embellish the story by saying that he saw the BS man with knife in hand dragging Liz back into the yard? Surely that would remove all doubt as to whom the killer was.

c.d.

[c.d.]

Hello (again) CD. Thanks.

"Now if there were no BS man, who exactly do you think killed Liz?"

Some member or guest of the club. Possibly as part of a misunderstanding.

Cheers.
LC

And the club members were so loyal to each other that they were willing to protect a murderer in their midst?

c.d.

[lynn cates]

others

Hello (again) CD. Thanks.

"A myth? Possibly. But there is that pesky little matter of five women all of whom had their throat cut."

Actually, many more than five. You neglect Tabram, McKenzie and Coles. Nor have you added Mylett, nor the attacks on Wilson and Millwood. Don't forget Smith.

Cheers.
LC

[lynn cates]

guest

Hello (again) CD. Thanks.

"Now if there were no BS man, who exactly do you think killed Liz?"

Some member or guest of the club. Possibly as part of a misunderstanding.

Cheers.
LC

[c.d.]

Hello Lynn,

A myth? Possibly. But there is that pesky little matter of five women all of whom had their throat cut.

c.d.

[lynn cates]

romance

Hello CD. Thanks.

"The police tend not to take kindly to being lied to particularly in a murder investigation. He could easily have found himself in some serious hot water."

How? What could they have found that would prove him a liar?

"Ah, if it were only that easy."

But it IS that easy. We complicate because we seek to perpetuate a myth.

"I keep forgetting that you don't believe in Jack. My bad."

Not bad; merely romantic.

Cheers.
LC

[lynn cates]

Lave

Hello Greg. Thanks.

"Does this mean you think a crazy Jew from the club offed Stride Lynn?"

Possibly. Have you looked closely at Joseph Lave's story? He was in the yard and Berner from 12.30 until 12.40. Eygle was ALSO there at 12.40. Lave NEVER mentions Eygle. Lave also goes to the street--no Liz, no PC Smith. Suspicious? Yes.

"As for the cachous controversy, I agree with Mr. Wickerman, Stride showed no signs of preparing for an attack."

Precisely.

Cheers.
LC

[c.d.]

Hello CD.

"I would add that if you are trying to fend someone off, the tendency is to try to push them away with an open palm. That would seem to make it hard to hold on to the cachous."

Indeed. Are we agreeing again?

Cheers.
LC

Hello Lynn,

Well we seem to agree up to a point but then our roads diverge.

Now if there were no BS man, who exactly do you think killed Liz?

c.d.

[lynn cates]

no fist

Hello Ben.

"No, I'm not suggesting Stride used the cachous as a weapon, but it is perfectly plausible that she retained the item in her fist as she attempted to fight off her attacker."

Ah, but they were NOT in her fist. They were between her thumb and forefinger. How can one ward off an attack like that?

Cheers.
LC

[c.d.]

"You also have to give kudos to Schwartz for being willing to lie to the police in a murder investigation."

Why kudos?

I give him kudos because he was willing to take one for the team. The police tend not to take kindly to being lied to particularly in a murder investigation. He could easily have found himself in some serious hot water. Had it been me, and it was suggested I go out and lie to the police, I think I would have responded "how about YOU go out and lie to the police."

"I think he was telling the truth as he saw it but I have to disagree with your conclusion."

Why? IF there is a BSM, look no further--he is your killer.

Ah, if it were only that easy. I keep forgetting that you don't believe in Jack. My bad.

c.d.

[lynn cates]

agree

Hello CD.

"I would add that if you are trying to fend someone off, the tendency is to try to push them away with an open palm. That would seem to make it hard to hold on to the cachous."

Indeed. Are we agreeing again?

Cheers.
LC

[lynn cates]

fresh cachous defense

Hello Jon.

"If she knew she was about to be attacked, apart from screaming her head off, why would she not have dropped anything she had in her hands in order to fend off her attacker?
Women, tend to use their hands and especially their nails in their own defense, have you not heard?

I have never once read even in a modern forensics report that the victim held on to something trivial because she knew she was about to be attacked.
That is just plain inconsistent with common sense."

Precisely. It suggests a Monty Python sketch.

Cheers.
LC

[lynn cates]

paranoia

Hello CD. Thanks.

"That assumes that the club needed a story as opposed to simply cooperating with the police."

They DID cooperate with the police. But put yourself in their shoes. They came (many of them) from Russian pogroms. Read about their investigation by the police. They would be rife with paranoia. They at least THOUGHT they needed a story.

"You also have to give kudos to Schwartz for being willing to lie to the police in a murder investigation."

Why kudos?

"I think he was telling the truth as he saw it but I have to disagree with your conclusion."

Why? IF there is a BSM, look no further--he is your killer.

Cheers.
LC