Abberline solved the GSG

[DVV]

Everything is possible, Phil.
Fact is that Stride has been killed in Berner Street, where prostitutes used to do their job.
But the spot turned out to be unfit for further mutilations - because of Schwartz, not Diemshitzshutz, imo.

Cheers

[DVV]

BSM wasn't acting very Ripper-like.

The Ripper took away Chapman's uterus. Not ripper-like, if compared to Nichols.
He cut Eddowes' nose : again, not ripper-like.
He killed MJK indoors. Not ripper-like at all.

Kurten killed women and young girls. One day, he had the opportunity to kill a man. He did it.

There are plenty examples as such.

Cheers

[lynn cates]

"It ain't fittin'."

Hello David.

"But the spot turned out to be unfit for further mutilations - because of Schwartz"

IF Schwartz had really seen the first stages of an assault, it might also be unfit for murder.

Cheers.
LC

[DVV]

Hello David.

"But the spot turned out to be unfit for further mutilations - because of Schwartz"

IF Schwartz had really seen the first stages of an assault, it might also be unfit for murder.

Cheers.
LC

Hi Lynn,

no, not necessarily. Schwartz ran away immediately.
Sailor Man also knew he had been seen by Lawende and co.
He killed Eddowes.

Sacré Joseph !

[Phil H]

Everything is possible, Phil.

With respect, that is not an argument. It could be applied to anything and in my view undermines anything you might say as it cannot be argued against.

In effect it says - don't take this seriously, my case isn't based on facts or logic. Aliens could have done it because "anything is possible".

Phil

[DVV]

Everything is possible, Phil.

With respect, that is not an argument. It could be applied to anything and in my view undermines anything you might say as it cannot be argued against.

In effect it says - don't take this seriously, my case isn't based on facts or logic. Aliens could have done it because "anything is possible".

Phil

And with respect too, that's not a memorable reply.
When I said "everything is possible", I referred to the killer's mood or personality, about a murder which is very possibly the work of JTR. And indeed, that's what the police thought, in 1888.

No aliens needed, Sir

[lynn cates]

certainty

Hello David. Thanks.

"Sailor Man also knew he had been seen by Lawende and co.
He killed Eddowes."

Are you sure of that?

Cheers.
LC

[DVV]

Hi Lynn,

sure of what ?
That Sailor Man took notice of the trio, or that he killed Eddowes ?

I'm pretty sure he took notice of the trio, and I can't think of any better suspect for the Mitre Square murder.

Cheers

[Abby Normal]

the ripper lost his temper when Stride wouldn't go where he wanted her to

I'm not sure that I follow the reasoning behind that idea.

Nichols, Chapman, Eddowes, even Tabram, are likely to have led "Jack" to the place where they died. All are quite reasonable places for an "assignation" - darkish, off the beaten track, with a wooden support to lean against.

Where is there ANY basis to assume that "Jack" would have wanted to direct them? Enlighten me please.

Phil

Ah what the heck. I never said anything about who was leading who. Simply that he lost his temper when she would not go where he wanted her to-irregardless of who was trying to "direct" who.
Enlightened?

[Wickerman]

And then Stride would have shouted out ?

Of course, another streetwalker shouting for help, so what else is new, this is the East End.

And what about a possible urge to kill ?

What about it?

[Wickerman]

It is not an impossible interpretation of the GSG - though I do not personally believe "Jack" wrote it. Indeed, the interpretation is better than many.

However, it assumes two things:

a) that Stride was killed by "Jack";

b) that BSM/the man Schwartz saw was the killer of Liz Stride.

For that reason, and my belief that the Ripper did not leave the message (or any) I'm afraid I do not accept the hypothesis.

Phil

Agreed.

If 'Jack' wrote the GSG, blaming Jews, then its a fair bet he wrote some letters to the police (the inclination is the same).

As no 'serious' letters appear to blame Jews for the murders then the two 'hypotheses' are not connected.

[Wickerman]

Good shout, Abby.
I do wonder if Schwartz saw the actual murder taking place.
If it were the case it would answer a lot of questions

And the most important question would be, "was this 'Jack'?" - and the answer would be a resounding "No!"

'Jack' did not perform for an audience.

[Wickerman]

Hi Lynn,

no, not necessarily. Schwartz ran away immediately.
Sailor Man also knew he had been seen by Lawende and co.
He killed Eddowes.

Sacré Joseph !

But there is still no definitive connection between the two. It is just as likely that the Duke St. couple were not Eddowes & Co.

[lynn cates]

Long way to Tipperary.

Hello David. Thanks.

". . . that he killed Eddowes?"

Yup.

". . . I can't think of any better suspect for the Mitre Square murder."

OK. But much distance between these two notions.

Cheers.
LC

[Damaso Marte]

Hi Damaso,

I know you don't believe in a double event, I respect that, but at the same time, I consider that's a gross mistake.

Cheers

I do believe in a double event, but only because I discount Schwartz.

If Schwartz was right, the idea of a double event must be abandoned.