The Halse version

[DVV]

Were the police really that inept?...All of them?

Hi Spyglass, not the City Police in that instance.

[ChrisGeorge]

I'm sure the police of 2012 would figure it out. . . maybe. But we are talking about 1888 when the police and conditions on the ground were vastly different.

Chris

[spyglass]

Hi Chrisgeorge,
I understand your argument to a point, however we are talking about very basic policing here, for instance copying a message should not be that hard to do.

best wishes.

[Stephen Thomas]

The LVP cops were certainly thorough.

Not only did they erase the GSG. They then went on to obfuscate details of its location, content, meaning, spelling, grammar and linage.

Why aren't we smelling a rat?

There's no rat to smell, Simon. This is just another example of the genius of the British ruling class. Serious social disorder was forestalled by use of a duster.

And while I'm here, the Long and Halse versions mean EXACTLY the same thing (whatever that might be) as I said before on this thread.

[Phil Carter]

[QUOTE=Simon Wood;209303]

Let us instead consider all the complicated and convoluted excuses that have been weaved for why this crock of nonsense should be believed.
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Hello Simon,

the same consideration could be given to Halse's comment that the infamous chalked writing was 'recently done'. Now how can a policeman possibly tell how old the writing is in a dark entrance on dark brickwork with only a hand held lamp to guide hìm? If Halse hadnt been there at any time before on his beat- he cannot possibly know the 'age' of the chalk writing?


Ask any teacher to walk into a schoolroom he hasnt previously visited and tell you the age of the chalk writing on the board- in broad daylight. He cant. Unless

a) the writing gives a 'time' clue- "Kilroy was'ere 30-9-88"
b) he had previously seen the writing (which raises all sorts of questions)
c) he saw Kilroy writing it at some time
d) he wrote it himself
e) he is an expert analasist in chalk writing.

and another little point that jabs away at Ritz-sized strange commentary.Our dear old friend Chief Inspector Donald Swanson wrote of the chalk writing, in his report to the Home Office 6-11-88, in which HE states, according to the "facts known to the Met Police respecting the murder in Mitre square and writing on the wall" the following:-

"Upon the discovery of the blurred chalk writing on the wall..."

Now- the writing- which Swanson had also deemed the 2nd word (juwes) mis-spelled, is now blurred. Lets suppose the ever reliable Swanson, who had been specifically appointed to be in charge of the whole investigation- with every report at his fingertips(nothing was to be sent anywhere without Swanson seeing it first)- is correct. The writing was blurred. Can somebody please explain to THIS daily chalk user how Halse could possibly call blurred chalk writing as "recently done"?

Sir Charles Warren, in HIS report of the same day (Lög and Arnold wrote their reports the same day btw)- wrote:-

"... i arrived at Leman St station shortly before 5am..I accordingly went down to Goulston Street at once... A discussion took place whether the writing covld be left covered up or otherwise ...could be left for an hour until it could be photographed.." " the writing was on the jamb of the open archway or doorway visible to anybody in the street and could not be covered up without danger of the covering being torn off at once"

Well Mr.Warren- according to Inspector James McWilliam of the City Polie in HIS report to the Home Office dated 29-10-88, he states that he ordered the writing to be photographed WAY before Warren arrived at GS, whilst at Mitre Square in the company of Major Smith and others- having arrived there via Bishopsgate Station from the Detective Office, where he arrived at 3.45am.
Oh, and Mr. Warren- if the writing WAS visible to "anybody" from the street- they had damnf good eyesight- given the size of the writing- ESPECIALLY if the man in charge said it was blurred! And one more thing Mr Warren- ever heard of a policeman or two to stand guard in front of the covered writing whilst waiting for a photographer?

"They evidently want to tell us nothing" - CM Oct 30

hope you enjoyed that lot Simon. The Ritz? Make that Tower Bridge.

Kindly

Phil



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[ChrisGeorge]

Hi all,
Well I smell a rat, and always have done.
You have the biggest breakthrough in the case up to that date, a large number of police officers of varying ranks around to make certain of the facts. and some people want to belive it was all down to human error.
Were the police really that inept?...All of them?

Hello spyglass

I think we make a mistake by looking at the situation with our twenty-first-century perspective, and need to better understand the situation on the ground as well as the internal structure and politics of the two police forces, and the attitudes of the day, etc., etc. Too easy to make a sweeping judgement from our standpoint, in my opinion.

Best regards

Chris

[spyglass]

Hi all,
Well I smell a rat, and always have done.
You have the biggest breakthrough in the case up to that date, a large number of police officers of varying ranks around to make certain of the facts. and some people want to belive it was all down to human error.
Were the police really that inept?...All of them?

[Monty]

Hi Monty,

The Mamas and the Papas were wrong.

It's pissing with rain today.

Regards,

Simon

Ha ha ha, now thats made me laugh Simon.

Not thats its raining, but your good humour.

Monty

[Simon Wood]

Hi Monty,

The Mamas and the Papas were wrong.

It's pissing with rain today.

Regards,

Simon

[Monty]

Oooh, can't wait Simon,

And can I assume the Why? Will be expained?


I did Chris,

We have a situation admist a period of high intensity, in darkness, with time pressures and disagreement.

It wasn't a simple as it seems from a deckchair in sun kissed California.

Monty

[Simon Wood]

Hi Chris,

Come on. Surely you can do better than that old trope.

Regards,

Simon

[ChrisGeorge]

Hi Monty

Too true, Monty. But we might bear in mind the police happened upon an unsuspected situation in the early hours of the morning, are suddenly instructed to erase the writing, and then disagree what it was or how it was spelled. The situation was confusing, not the least helped by the fact that two jurisdictions were involved. Is it any surprise, that what we are left with is equally confused? But you know all that.

Chris

[Simon Wood]

Hi Monty,

In answer to your question, rest assured you'll be amongst the first to know.

Regards,

Simon

[Monty]

Steady Chris,

You're spoiling Simons point.

The erasure, the misinformation, the ineptness. It all points to a conspiracy of.....a conspiracy of....a con....

What is the conspiracy exactly Simon?

Monty

[ChrisGeorge]

Hi All,

The LVP cops were certainly thorough.

Not only did they erase the GSG. They then went on to obfuscate details of its location, content, meaning, spelling, grammar and linage.

Why aren't we smelling a rat?

Regards,

Simon

"Why aren't we smelling a rat?"

Perhaps we can always rely on you to tell us we should be smelling a rat.

I think more likely that it was more ineptness, the early hour and the fact that the soon-to-be-erased graffito was writ small on brick in a dark location. All of that should explain the discrepancies you point out.

Cheers

Chris