The Halse version

[Simon Wood]

Hi Monty,

I'm pleading the fifth until the time is right.

Sorry about the rain. The UK always seems to get the worst of America.

Regards,

Simon

[Monty]

Hi Simon,

I never stated that Phil speaks for you, which must be upsetting for him. I said that he states both yourself and him have provided evidence.

So you have no conclusion as to why the police/authorities would conspire, just suggestion that they have?

It seems you have a preference for hysteria and myth over comedic errors and fact.

We have your rain.

Monty

[Simon Wood]

Hi Monty,

Just to set the record straight, Phil does not speak for me. Whatever he says is his own business.

The silence on your questions will continue to be deafening until the full answer is to hand.

One thing I will say, though. The story of the Whitechapel murders is shaping up nicely and proving to be far more interesting than the comedy of errors which currently passes for historical fact.

Clear night, light cloud, promise of scattered showers throughout the day.

Regards,

Simon

[DVV]

Hello David,
One of the problems for anybody like Simon or myself is that when WE present factual evidence, such has been done- the facts cannot be argued with. Swanson, Warren, McWilliam, Halse all wrote down what they did.
it's inarguable. McWijiam ordered the writing photograhed way before Warren even got to Goulston Street. Swanson wrote 'blurred'. Warren didnt see that the writing could not be covered up and guarded by a couple of policemen (simple, quiet solution to the problem, even by 1888 standards of securing a site) and Halse really did claim to know that the chalk writing was recent when it is impossible to tell such a thing in 1888...without knowing it was recent.
And if you put that lot together, you have one heck of a problem- because they cant all be right, inept, mistaken or telling porkies.
I dont pretend to know the truth about this- but it does raise good questions all round. And if there was something untoward going on, then the worst thing we can do is ignore the possibility.
Phil

Well and good, Phil, but where's the beef ? The City Police felt it should be photographed, but Goulston St was within the Met boundaries. Swanson, from the Met, said it was blurred as to minimize their mistake, or let's say, their questionable decision. As for Warren, law and order was his violon d'Ingres.

[Monty]

MacWilliam had no jurisdiction in Goulston Street so his 'orders' held no sway.

As Jon states, Swanson wasn't at the scene and provided collated reports, as he had done so in previous cases. Therefore the information provided is not his direct.

Now Phil states Simon and himself have provided evidence. This isn't entirely true. They have pointed out discrepencies (in their opinion) raised their eyebrows and stated their interpretation. This is suggestion, which is fine, but its not solid evidence/proof something sinister was afoot.

Now, speaking of shenanigans, some of you owls out there may note my question of conspiracy earlier. So far those that hint towards such a thing have failed to provided the what and why? What is the conspiracy and for what gain?

The silence on those questions really is deafening.

Monty

[Wickerman]

Hi Phil.
Swanson, to the best of my memory, never appeared at Goulston St., so his opinion of the condition of the writing must have been taken from police reports handed to him. Our problem is not knowing which Met. PC present at the scene gave that opinion, the Inspector, or PC 190?, or someone else.

On the other hand, Halse was present, yet, how we interpret "recent" will depend on whether we believe the killer wrote it.
Recent, could mean anything from minutes to days. So long as no-one brushed against the wall, chalk writing will not look 'worn', 'blurred' or 'dated'.
You should know yourself just how long chalk writing can remain legible so long as it remains untouched.

Regards, Jon S.

[Phil Carter]

Yes, Phil, Swanson. My mistake.

Hello David,

One of the problems for anybody like Simon or myself is that when WE present factual evidence, such has been done- the facts cannot be argued with. Swanson, Warren, McWilliam, Halse all wrote down what they did.

it's inarguable. McWijiam ordered the writing photograhed way before Warren even got to Goulston Street. Swanson wrote 'blurred'. Warren didnt see that the writing could not be covered up and guarded by a couple of policemen (simple, quiet solution to the problem, even by 1888 standards of securing a site) and Halse really did claim to know that the chalk writing was recent when it is impossible to tell such a thing in 1888...without knowing it was recent.

And if you put that lot together, you have one heck of a problem- because they cant all be right, inept, mistaken or telling porkies.

I dont pretend to know the truth about this- but it does raise good questions all round. And if there was something untoward going on, then the worst thing we can do is ignore the possibility.


Kindly

Phil

[DVV]

Yes, Phil, Swanson. My mistake.

[Monty]

Chris,

You must realise that the armchair dective of today, sitting in rain sodden California or Frost bitten Norway, are far more skilled than a PC in dank Whitechapel of 1888.

These people have gotten off their arses, fired up their bullseye lamps and seen for themselves how difficult it is to view with them. They have then stood at the spot themselves at night to experience the texture of the wall and researched into depth actual procedure along with the reports and police orders.

These Guys know what they are talking about.

Monty

[Phil Carter]

Hi Phil, Warren's "blurred graffito" is memorable, I must say.

Hello David,

I think you mean Swanson's blurred graffiti, non?

Kindly

Phil

[Phil Carter]

Clouseau would have brought the man to justice. See Anderson's comments on the French police.

Hello David,

good point-Magoo it is then- but Clouseau still mis-pronounced "monkey" as "minkey" and room as "ruem"- which explains "juwes" nicely, LOL

kindly

Phil

[DVV]

Inspector "blurred" Clouseau? Or simply Mr Magoo?


Kindly

Phil

Hi Phil, Warren's "blurred graffito" is memorable, I must say.

[DVV]

Clouseau would have brought the man to justice. See Anderson's comments on the French police.

[Phil Carter]

Inspector Clouseau springs to mind!

Inspector "blurred" Clouseau? Or simply Mr Magoo?


Kindly

Phil

[spyglass]

Inspector Clouseau springs to mind!