The Halse version

[Wickerman]

Hi Steven.

In my view, DC Halse's rendering of the graffito should be seen as more reliable than that of Long. Firstly as, according to this site, Long's original spelling of "Jewes" was corrected to "Juwes"...

Agreed, but the correction was by his Inspector. So, you are not making allowances for two separate people supporting Long's version (Long + Inspector), as opposed to just one, Halse by himself.

Quite possibly, four eyes were better than two.

Regards, Jon S.

[Steven Russell]

In my view, DC Halse's rendering of the graffito should be seen as more reliable than that of Long. Firstly as, according to this site, Long's original spelling of "Jewes" was corrected to "Juwes" and secondly as Halse has used inverted commas to denote new paragraph but still part of the quotation. Thus he has been careful to record the message line by line. This being the case, I believe we should trust him as to exact wording and spelling.

Best wishes,
Steve.

PS Halse on left, Long on right.

PPS No idea what it's supposed to mean in either case and I doubt there is any connection to the murders.

[lynn cates]

coincidences

Hello Jon. Well, Debs Arif has reminded me more than once--coincidences DO occur. But it certainly fooled Sir Charles.

Cheers.
LC

[Wickerman]

Thats all Lynn.

[lynn cates]

apron

Hello Jon. Then its proximity to the bloody apron piece was mere coincidence?

Cheers.
LC

[Wickerman]

Hello Jon. It has been argued that the GSG was merely a complaint from some Gentile who felt on the short end of a business deal.

Do you see any hope for that view?

Cheers.
LC

I think its the view to beat. Considering anti-semitism was rife, a complaint against Jews is to be expected. As a "complaint" it fits with the social climate.

The alternatives stretch credulity, what do we have?
- A killer fleeing through the backstreets pausing to write poetical verse neat and correct, but incredibly small?, or
- A Killer Jew pretending to be a Gentile blaming Jews?, or
- Unrelated to the murders?

Regards, Jon S.

[lynn cates]

sic et non

Hello Stephen. Denotatively, yes; connotatively, perhaps not.

Cheers.
LC

[lynn cates]

ethnicity

Hello Scott.

"How about being a complaint from some Jew who got the short end of a business deal?"

I suppose that possible. But why would ethnicity be alluded to in such a case?

Cheers.
LC

[Monty]

Keeping a watching brief and finding it all oh so fascinating.

Monty

[Stephen Thomas]

Dear oh f*cking dear

What's wrong with people here?

Both versions say EXACTLY the same thing.

[Abby Normal]

Yes, I know, yet another wall writng thread....yawn.

Its confession time. The wall writing has many variations with the most common one, 'The Juwes are the men that will not be blamed for nothing" being the most favoured.

However, I personally take Halses version, "The Juwes are not the men that will be blamed for nothing". Don Rumbelow is of similar mind and cites his reason for taking Halses version as the fact Halse was at the scene for some time, and her also argues this version conforms to the 3 lines described.

Now I know Warren had it copied and to be honest, my conviction isn't 100%. Also, as some of you are aware, I do not feel the killer wrote it.

The versions change little but what I'm interested in is if Halses version is the correct one, does it change peoples interpretation of its meaning?

I'm just merely curious.

Monty

Hi Monty
I think the former reads- the jews wont take the blame for anything, and the latter(Halse) reads -the jews will not be blamed for it.

FYI-I personally dont think the killer did not write it. Heehee.

I think it changes the meaning slightly , but not really the intent. Which is to somehow cast blame on jews without being so obvious to say-The Jews did it!

Basically, i think its the case that the writer used the double negative incorrectly and the last word "nothing" he really meant to be interpreted as meaning "something", "anything", or "it". Basically a positive.

Its kind of like the modern slang of someone trying to deny something by saying "I didn't do nothing."

[DVV]

Hello David. And what was he doing over there?

LC

Enjoying that starry night on his way to the VH, I presume.

[Scott Nelson]

It has been argued that the GSG was merely a complaint from some Gentile who felt on the short end of a business deal.

How about being a complaint from some Jew who got the short end of a business deal? Or a schoolboy writing about a Jewish adult's complaint?

[lynn cates]

location, location, location

Hello David. And what was he doing over there?

Cheers.
LC

[DVV]

Ah que oui, my dear ! - who else ?