The meaning of the GSG wording

[Bridewell]

New York Herald

Hi All,

From whom might the US press have got the name Lizzie Fisher?

Regards,

Simon

Hi Simon

I don't know if this has any relevance to your question:

New York Herald Wednesday 11th November 1889

includes an article which contains the following:

"The case of the girl whose mutilated remains were enveloped in a fragment of undergarment marked in black ink in a clear and clerkly hand with the name "L.E. Fisher" equally fails to offer an analogy to any of the other cases, as Dr Bond, chief surgeon of the Metropolitan Police, declared death to have resulted from an operation to procure abortion; a motive which could not have determined any of the Whitechapel series, and certainly did not exist in the present instance, as the medical testimony declares this last victim never to have been pregnant."

The article is about the Pinchin Street murder, but I can't tell if this is a reference to Pinchin or a previous discovery.

Regards, Bridewell.

[lynn cates]

Borden?

Hello Simon. Hmm, depends the date. I want to say Lizzie Borden, but if the target date is 1888, I'd be off by 4 years.

I'll bite.

Cheers.
LC

[Simon Wood]

Hi All,

From whom might the US press have got the name Lizzie Fisher?

Regards,

Simon

[lynn cates]

name

Hello Bridewell. Well, not if we are looking for that name.

Cheers.
LC

[Bridewell]

Mary Kelly

Hello Neil.

"This may be something Kate was aware of (as she gave her name at time of release she was most certainly aware she wasn't being charged) so she just gave a false name."

And Mary is not unlike John--very common; very popular. Easy to recall.

Cheers.
LC

As Mary Kelly seems to have been a popular alias used by prostitutes in Spitalfields & Whitechapel....is it any wonder we can't trace the history of a "Mary Kelly" who lived at 13 Millers Court - and whose nicknames included Fair Emma?

Regards, Bridewell

[lynn cates]

Mary

Hello Neil.

"This may be something Kate was aware of (as she gave her name at time of release she was most certainly aware she wasn't being charged) so she just gave a false name."

And Mary is not unlike John--very common; very popular. Easy to recall.

Cheers.
LC

[lynn cates]

Mary Ann

Hello Tom.

"I believe Mary Kelly was the name of John Kelly's ex-wife, so Catherine probably got a kick out of putting her name in the police rolls."

Didn't know that. And actually, I found a Mary Ann Kelly just to the north of John and Kate. Friends?

But whatever, an easy name to give.

Cheers.
LC

[lynn cates]

yup

Hello Bridewell.

"Kelly was also the name of the man with whom Eddowes had been living for the previous seven years, so it's a surname she may have used on occasions. "

Almost certainly.

Cheers.
LC

[Cogidubnus]

What's in a name?

More to the point Mary Kelly may just've been a name that Mary Kelly used

Dave

[Monty]

I believe Mary Kelly was the name of John Kelly's ex-wife, so Catherine probably got a kick out of putting her name in the police rolls.

Yours truly,

Tom Wescott

Quite often the Police didn't charge drunks, and especially drunk women, as they knew they couldn't afford the fines. So releasing them frees up the magistrates courts.

This may be something Kate was aware of (as she gave her name at time of release she was most certainly aware she wasn't being charged) so she just gave a false name.

In my opinion.

Monty

[Tom_Wescott]

I believe Mary Kelly was the name of John Kelly's ex-wife, so Catherine probably got a kick out of putting her name in the police rolls.

Yours truly,

Tom Wescott

[Bridewell]

Kelly

Hi MB - Unfortunately Mary Kelly was just about the commonest pseudonym given at this time by Whitechapel unfortunates when arrested...your timing issues have already (as you know) been raised on the Double Event thread to which you've posted...otherwise I'd subscribe to your lottery entry!

Best wishes

Dave

Kelly was also the name of the man with whom Eddowes had been living for the previous seven years, so it's a surname she may have used on occasions.

Regards, Bridewell.

[Cogidubnus]

Hi MB - Unfortunately Mary Kelly was just about the commonest pseudonym given at this time by Whitechapel unfortunates when arrested...your timing issues have already (as you know) been raised on the Double Event thread to which you've posted...otherwise I'd subscribe to your lottery entry!

Best wishes

Dave

[moonbegger]

Hi Folks ..i have a question , is it the assumption of most, that it was pure coincidence that Catherine Eddows gave her name as Mary Ann Kelly at the police station , and was it also just coincidence or unbelievable luck on behalf of the killer that he was able to murder Catherine Eddows , tear hear apart , remove her organs , in the darkest corner of the square , the second PC watkins left the square , then make a clean escape only seconds before PC watkins returned 15 mins later , bearing in mind a doctor stated the mutilations on the body would have taken at least 20 minutes to perform ? was he really the most lucky killer of all time ? its a shame the lottery wasn't around then , he would have won every week

cheers ,

moonbegger.

[Bridewell]

Not Saying

Really do wish people would read my post before commening
ie.. " Not saying this is backslang", " Maybe acomplice scribbled on wall "
oh yeah .. Coroner at Mary Kelly was ?

There's none so blind as those who will not see

Regards Moonbegger

Moonbegger.

I did read your post. You had already speculated that the graffito might have been re-arranged as "Nothing are the men that will not be blamed for the Juwes". (i.e. "the Juwes" & "Nothing" have changed places). You then say that backslang is when the first and last words in a sentence are swapped. You did add that you weren't saying this was backslang, but if this isn't backslang, what is it and, more to the point, why would JtR switch the words round?

oh yeah .. Coroner at Mary Kelly was ?

Roderick Macdonald.MP who was the coroner for north-east Middlesex. The presiding coroner was determined by the location of the body. In the case of MJK, Roderick was the coroner because her body was taken to the mortuary in Shoreditch, not Whitechapel. This may conflict with someone's conspiracy theory, but that's the truth of it.

There's none so blind as those who will not see

Quite.

Regards, Bridewell.