The GSG - Did Jack write it? POLL

[Trevor Marriott]

The apron section found at Goulston was matched with the remaining apron Kate was wearing by the repair marks....so, why is this posing a problem? This was not a small piece either, it was around 2 x 2 if recollection serves.

There is nothing to show the size on any of the pieces of apron

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[DJA]

But the positioning of the clothing, and the position of any apron are of great importance to use today, but clearly not so at the time. One thing for sure it does not show any clothing up around her neck ,i.e.the remains of an apron. In fact we know the clothes were up above her waist. So when you look at it, it is not that accurate in every sense.

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The original is quite detailed and shows clothing covering the sternum.

[Sam Flynn]

When she left that drunk tank it was noted that she didn't turn in the direction of the shortest route to where she lived with Kelly, she turned instead in the direction of the markets where she earn the money for food and her bed.

The market wasn't open when she left the cells, and even the stalls wouldn't have been set up at that early hour.

[Sam Flynn]

But the positioning of the clothing, and the position of any apron are of great importance to use today, but clearly not so at the time. One thing for sure it does not show any clothing up around her neck ,i.e.the remains of an apron. In fact we know the clothes were up above her waist. So when you look at it, it is not that accurate in every sense.

It's not anatomically accurate or complete either. The sketch shows only one short length of small intestine draped over her right shoulder, when in fact the intestines were "drawn out to a large extent". I'd guess that Brown only intended the drawing to be a basic aide-memoire (hence the pithy annotations like "clot blood").

[Leanne]

In regards to Kate using the piece of apron as a sanitary napkin and then dropping it next to the graffito, do we have any clue if Kate would/could have passed by Goulston street once released from the drunk tank? I.e. Is there a reasonable guess as to the route Kate traveled to Mitre Square?

When she left that drunk tank it was noted that she didn't turn in the direction of the shortest route to where she lived with Kelly, she turned instead in the direction of the markets where she earn the money for food and her bed.

What she sold is anyone's guess but I reckon she sold herself and bought some tea for herself, some needles and pins, a thimble, a second-hand apron that needed repairs, 12 pieces of rag that she could use to patch other second hand clothes etc etc at the Clothes Fair at Petticoat Lane and put them in her pockets so she could mend
them. Then met her last customer.

[Michael W Richards]

The apron section found at Goulston was matched with the remaining apron Kate was wearing by the repair marks....so, why is this posing a problem? This was not a small piece either, it was around 2 x 2 if recollection serves.

[Trevor Marriott]

The sketch shows the positioning of the body, pools of blood and a (rough) depiction of the major injuries, but not all. It's certainly not meant to be a fashion drawing, so we shouldn't expect it to depict her clothing accurately.

But the positioning of the clothing, and the position of any apron are of great importance to use today, but clearly not so at the time. One thing for sure it does not show any clothing up around her neck ,i.e.the remains of an apron. In fact we know the clothes were up above her waist. So when you look at it, it is not that accurate in every sense.

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[Sam Flynn]

We don’t know,that the chances are that foster prepared the sketch based on browns descriptions
if brown had drawn it he would produced it and referenced it

The sketch shows the positioning of the body, pools of blood and a (rough) depiction of the major injuries, but not all. It's certainly not meant to be a fashion drawing, so we shouldn't expect it to depict her clothing accurately.

[Jon Guy]

We don’t know,that the chances are that foster prepared the sketch based on browns descriptions
if brown had drawn it he would produced it and referenced it

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We`ve already discussed this a few years back, Trev.
I thought it was Foster at the time, but was corrected.

[Trevor Marriott]

Sketch was by Dr Brown, and is accurate

We don’t know,that the chances are that foster prepared the sketch based on browns descriptions
if brown had drawn it he would produced it and referenced it

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[Jon Guy]

He was not in Mitre sq the night of the murder so the victims body sketch was not made at the time by him and is not accurate

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Sketch was by Dr Brown, and is accurate

[Trevor Marriott]

Strongly suspect it was ripped and bloodied in Mitre Square and doubt that "hurt and Robinson" would gain credence if they gave false evidence.

doenst matter how accurate the sketch is now it wasnt made at the time, and that makes a difference to the whole picture from an evidence perspective it is secondary evidence and is not that accurate as far as the abdomen and the clothing is concerned.

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[Trevor Marriott]

Strongly suspect it was ripped and bloodied in Mitre Square and doubt that "hurt and Robinson" would gain credence if they gave false evidence.

perhaps they were just trying to be helpful to the adopted belief that was readily accpted by the time they came to give evidence.

It should also be noted that the city police did not make statements relative to the inquest beforehand, they simply came along and gave it at the time of the inquest unlike the met who did have statements to present to the coroner in advance. Thats why Pc Long was not in possession of his pocket book he was giving his evidence off the cuff.

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[Trevor Marriott]

Strongly suspect it was ripped and bloodied in Mitre Square and doubt that "hurt and Robinson" would gain credence if they gave false evidence.

Well based on what I have stated their evidence is not as supportive to your theory as is being suggested.

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[DJA]

Yes we know it was but was it blood stained when she left the police station if it was the it would give more credence to hurt and Robinson’s id

Strongly suspect it was ripped and bloodied in Mitre Square and doubt that "hurt and Robinson" would gain credence if they gave false evidence.