Artizan Dwellings writing photograph

[Supe]

Debs,

Do you refer to Marriott's latest non-starter theory, that what was written was a phonetic cockney rendering of "jurors" ?

Don.

[Debra A]

Don, someone really said that?!I thought it was all just a bad dream ( I'm a bit disturbed that I dreamed about Trev). I came here looking for reassurance not confirmation!

[Supe]

Debs,

I do apologize for being the bearer of bad news, but that is a report I got on the York Conference. It is frightening, though, isn't it?

Don.

[Barnaby]

Rob - the onus is on those who want to use the GSG in the case to demonstrate its relevance. Until then it remains nothing but an extraneous - perhaps interesting - irrelevance.

Not usual for you to engage in wooly thinking - but I'm afraid in this case I'm impressed by your response to my post.

Phil H

Rob here isn't necessarily advocating that the GSG is relevant to the murders. He, and I venture to guess most of us, simply want more information. What we make of it depends on its nature along with already known facts.

[Monty]

Please note

Hi all,

Whilst I'm aware that the Goulston St writing will naturally appear on this thread I do request that it isn't debated on this thread.

God knows there are enough threads on that topic for you to debate it, I do not wish this one to become yet another.

So I plea that we keep on topic.

Monty

[Phil Carter]

Hi all,

Whilst I'm aware that the Goulston St writing will naturally appear on this thread I do request that it isn't debated on this thread.

God knows there are enough threads on that topic for you to debate it, I do not wish this one to become yet another.

So I plea that we keep on topic.

Monty

Hello Monty,

Ok. The photographed example of chalk writing. You pose the question, a valid one imho,as to why this writing was photographed.

The date of the writing is important of course, and lends argument towards "why". Also the time of the episode in conjunction with the "flow" of the situation itself. (i.e. the popular "feelings" of the populace and the response of the authorities.)

Also, attention. Attention that it SHOULD be photographed. Is it possible that what we have here is another example of the press calling attention to the writing and involving the police? Doubtful, imho, as we would have every hack in the East End writing about it.. so a press "plant" is doubtful in this instance, methinks. So back to the word, attention...the attention is an onus now placed on the authorities for the decision to photograph it. Attention because they believed it important, for some reason we know not of,entirely. Is it important because of the timing, the location or perhaps the handwriting?

Now one can ask.. if this is something to do with the writing itself.. as in the style, or composition,is it the style as in "handwriting"?...

However, it may well be a long leap to compare to suspects and their handwriting. Trying for example, to compare it with Sickert's handwriting would be rather silly, as we already know,with some debatable knowledge, that Sickert may have involved himself in certain letter writing to the police. The letters he wrote..IF he wrote them.. were they IN his own handwriting, or a composed writing style for the sake of disguise?

If the latter be the case, ipso facto, Sickert's writing cannot be compared to the writing in this photograph because it would be extremely unlikely he would write in chalk in the same manner he would with a pen and ink.. and also, the point of disguising his writing would again have to be considered with this wall writing.

And that's just Sickert.

When you refer or hint to or at a contemporary suspect and his writing for comparison, which particular suspect have you in mind, may I ask?.. or is this a more recent suspect,like Sickert?

Why indeed was this writing photographed. It is a shame that there is no document pertaining to the writing that could or would shed a little light.



best wishes

Phil

[sleekviper]

Timing. Just me of course, but in order to have this photo without anyone having written about it, it seems that it was either really early, or really late. Late, it just becomes commonplace for these type writings, so why worry about this one? Early, as in the 28th of September, there is a massive problem. The only people that know the name "Jack", are the police, Central News, and author of "Dear Boss", where he also has said not to put anything out until he kills again. So if this shows up the 28th, the only ones that it will mean something to are the police; so finding it, calling for a picture to be taken of it, is no worries. No one knows of any "Jack", only problem is to make sure no one touches it. So from the time that this could be found on the 28th, the police would be casually poking around for a victim. He states that he killed on the 27th, this is found on the 28th, man power is adjusted to snooping for a dead body more than keeping an eye for a killer. Oh dear, I have an idea where it was put if that is the case.

[TizerisT]

That's rubbish the police believed it relevant to the investigation and that's good enough for me. I've studied the location, the layout of the building and am satisfied that jack wrote it. Now I can't prove it and until we find out who wrote it nobody can disprove he wrote it.

Wooly thinking? Not really.

Rob

Hi Rob, if you've seen the layout of the building, is there any particular part of it where you think it was most likey to be written?
To me it looks as if it could have been written on a black door from the pic, a door that maybe has a 'cross' design to it, if you know what type I mean.

[Rob Clack]

Hi Rob, if you've seen the layout of the building, is there any particular part of it where you think it was most likey to be written?
To me it looks as if it could have been written on a black door from the pic, a door that maybe has a 'cross' design to it, if you know what type I mean.

Hi,

The most likely spot in my opinion is the entrance. Not inside the passage as that was all whitewashed. I don't think it was on the door and (can't remember the reference off hand) was written on black brick which was only at the entrance.

Rob

[TizerisT]

Looks much more like wooden panelling to me than black brick.

[Azarna]

I agree, it does look like tongue and groove panelling.

[Rob Clack]

Sorry I thought we were talking about the Goulston Street Grafito.

Rob

[TizerisT]

^ ^ Any particular part where you think the '27th' message might have been written?

[Batman]

Very nice finds. I take it though its highly unlikely the killer wrote this as it is signed Jack. The only things 27 are Hanbury St., and the Dear Boss letter signed Jack the Ripper was received on the 27th. Which might explain the choice of 27.

The contemporary view of the GSG is that the murderer of Eddowes wrote it. See Swanson's report and the investigation notes at the time. It was fresh. Would have been rubbed away by those living there. They actually noted these factors. They interviewed people living there. No one living there could account for it or explain it any other way. It might be a modern view to reject it because Jewish suspects don't quite fit the 'casting suspicion on the Jews via graffiti' profile. Oh yeah and Jews writing in Double Cockney too at that...

[Rob Clack]

^ ^ Any particular part where you think the '27th' message might have been written?

Window shutters or door.