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Originally posted by truebluedub
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Apologies for ranting!
Sasha
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I dunno Chris. My gut response is that this is a question for the administrator - who I assume would want all members to be respectful toward one another. The other thing that comes to mind is that I have seen no disrespect from male members towards female members. And anyway, how would you really know who is male or female on this site. Members have membership names but there is no obligation to divulge one's real name or one's sex. The other thing that occurred to me - and maybe this is only wishful thinking - is that in 1888 a number of women were brutally murdered and no one seemed to care - either because they were women or because they were prostitutes or maybe both. Now people DO CARE. I assume most members on this site care. For me, that is not an indication of misogyny. It is true that some people have very strong beliefs and some of these respond strongly (badly?) when challenged - but I, personally, do not take this personally. I confess I am only a newbie but I read many posts before I joined up and only once was I a little shocked at what I read. And I guess it was less what I read than who wrote it. Someone who comes across as extremely courteous, highly intelligent, and - I am making some assumptions about sex here so could be wrong - referred to the victims of JTR as "whores" rather than "prostitutes". For me that is judgemental language but - as I mentioned earlier - such judgement does not fit in with the apparent character of the author - so I assume it was a slip of the pen rather than an indictment against the victims or against women, in general.
Apologies for ranting!
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Offensive Posts
Somebody who reverts to names calling and offensive posting is obviously somebody who has no case to argue.
It it the final resort of a child. The discussions on this site are surely there so that we can all develop our understanding and listen to new legitimate and sometimes slightly outlandish new theories and thoughts without offending. There will always be arguements and disagreements but as long as they are structured and with a degree of rationale then they are healthy.
I don't feel we need an ethics policy and hopefully never will. If we can't be trusted to speak our minds in the confines of common decency then we are at a sorry stage.
Sorry if I offended anybody (not intended)
PeterLiving the Dream!Comment
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O.K. I think the ethics council may have been taken up the wrong way - all I was saying with that is that just because we are not subject to one does not mean we should not question are own ethics as a group. And if people are fine with outbursts from individuals like Mrwoo then I am perfectly happy to follow the concensus.
regards
Chris (having calmed down a bit from overreacting a tad)
P.S. I'm not modifying my views I'm just agreeing to disagree with some postersComment
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Originally posted by Ally View Post
No, I'm claming the word Retard is offensive to me as a disabled person. As is the word Spastic. Or Cripple. Or any other disablist name bandied about when deliberately used as an insult.Comment
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Originally posted by truebluedub View Post
Chris, as I mentioned earlier, I think this is a matter for the administrator and if you have problems with Woo or whoever you have two options 1) report them to the administrator (I assume there is punitive action for offensive bloggers like suspension, expulsion, excommunication etc ie he or she really should be playing the role of ethics committee among other things and/or 2) do not engage in discussions with them. I personally think the argument some are making that other JTR sites are worse is not an argument at all. And anyway, I have seen bloggers expelled from other sites for engaging in personal abuse. Just report the offense to the administrator. If enough people complain, the offender will be dealt with. A site cannot operate with no members.
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Actually Sasha, I found your post to be quite eloquent, and straight to the point. Yours was among the least offensive, and easy to read posts on this thread. Welcome to the Casebook.Originally posted by Sasha View Post"Now this is not the end. It is not even the beginning of the end. But it is, perhaps, the end of the beginning." Winston ChurchillComment
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From: "The Crimes, Detection and Death of Jack the Ripper", Martin Fido, 1993 Barnes & Noble BooksOriginally posted by Sasha View Post
pg. 16: "Monday 6 August 1888, and Martha Tabram, a fat prostitute in her late thirties, ..."
"a fat prostitute"
same paragraph: "Complicated lists of nicknames, aliases and 'marital' names adopted from successions of common-law husbands abounded among the Whitechapel whores, ..."
"the Whitechapel whores"
I wonder if those attending the conference in Knoxville will be treated to such subtleties !!!
ColinLast edited by Guest; 06-16-2008, 05:32 PM.Comment
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Well as a disabled person, the word retard is not offensive to me. Nor is Blind, deaf, or spastic. It's a word to describe a behavior or state. So, impasse.No, I'm claming the word Retard is offensive to me as a disabled person. As is the word Spastic. Or Cripple. Or any other disablist name bandied about when deliberately used as an insult.Last edited by Ally; 06-16-2008, 05:47 PM.
Let all Oz be agreed;
I need a better class of flying monkeys.Comment
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Well to be frank,I got quite enthusiastic about reading Tom Cullen"s 1965 book ,The Autumn of Terror .This was because he had a theory about Druitt and Toynbee Hall.So I went to the library and they got it from their vault and the first thing I noticed was this type of offensive stuff about "whores" so I took it back ,having only read the first few pages.I looked up the bits in the index that referred to Toynbee and Druitt and that was it.I couldnt stomach any more.I dont doubt it is well researched and maybe the publishers decided thats what people interested in the Whitechapel Murders wanted to hear,and it was they who suggested to Tom Cullen to sex it up a bit---- or rather get it to all sound a bit lurid and obscene or something,but the great majority of people on this site would never use derogatory terms like that about the victims of Jack the Ripper or about anyone else thankfully.Comment
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Well I am just thankful
that fatties like me are left alone
Living the Dream!Comment
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Makes me think of Ian Dury. What an amazing man he was, and sadly missed.Originally posted by Ally View PostTruth is female, since truth is beauty rather than handsomeness; this [...] would certainly explain the saying that a lie could run around the world before Truth has got its, correction, her boots on, since she would have to chose which pair - the idea that any woman in a position to choose would have just one pair of boots being beyond rational belief.
Unseen Academicals - Terry Pratchett.Comment
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I think they've scheduled the book burning for the morning of day 3, right after calisthenics. You'll be missed.Originally posted by Septic Blue View Post
JMComment
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Now that is skimming Godwin's Law.Originally posted by jmenges View Post
Re Septic Blue:
25 years between now and then. Do you happen to have a more recent example?
The constant change in the political correct vocabulary makes it pretty hard for me to keep up with, especially as some of the connotations are lost on me as a non native speaker of English. I always fear that I might offend someone by accident.
The whole thread made me actually wonder if I did use whore or prostitute on the threads. I hope it was the latter.
"The human eye is a wonderful device. With a little effort, it can fail to see even the most glaring injustice." - Quellcrist Falconer
"Entia non sunt multiplicanda praeter necessitatem" - Johannes ClaubergComment
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very funny ha haOriginally posted by jmenges View Post
so can we take it you are all for books about murdered women being marketed as smut?Comment
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Don't bother trying to keep up with the PC bull. It's a waste of time. It has gotten to the ridiculous point. For example the great "retarded" debate. You are now no longer even supposed to call the retarded retarded because it's an insult. However, if you call the non-retarded retarded, it's still an insult to retarded people, even though they don't go by that name anymore according to the PC police. You are now supposed to call them "challenged". So what are kids now calling each other when they want to call each other retarded? You guessed it: "god, you are so challenged" And of course when that becomes offensive, the poor retarded/challenged people are going to have to figure out yet another name to call themselves!
Let all Oz be agreed;
I need a better class of flying monkeys.Comment
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