Ethical question - Misogyny on these boards

[truebluedub]

Hi everyone,
considering recent comments on another thread http://forum.casebook.org/showthread.php?t=870 should we be concerned that some people are displaying intolerance towards women.

In my own view we should.

kind regards,
Chris Lowe

[Ally]

Why??

[truebluedub]

Assuming you are asking why I think we should be concerned, several points:

1 How can we have a rational debate if irrationality is tolerated?
2 Ripperology should at least be trying to divest itself from accusations made against it in the 1980's by the feminist movement.
3 By tolerating misogyny on these boards it only legitimates its further use and other forms of prejudice (imagine if the antisemites got comfortable on a Kosminski thread).
4 In any case it is unethical, as there are people here who come from sciences and social sciences some of us are used to working within the restrictions of an ethical framework. Even if we have no ethics council to enforce such a framework here we should still attempt to follow ethical norms. These norms include not harming or belittling anyone.
The only defence for allowing the misogyny to continue is the potential of chilling debate.

regards
Chris Lowe

[Ally]

Why should misogyny be treated any differently than any other form of offense? As a woman, I don't need any special treatment. If a post is offensive, regardless of the reason why, hit the Report Post button and report it to the Admin.

[Robert]

Hi Chris

I'm not a misogynist (I hope!) but what you say about an ethics council worries me.

Basically this is a privately owned site so it comes down to what the proprietor permits or doesn't permit. I'm quite happy with that.

Robert

[John Casey]

Personally as a person with a disability I find the term "retard" far more offensive than the term prozzie. However, there is always as the above poster pointed out, the report post button.

[j.r-ahde]

Hello Chris!

Hi everyone,
considering recent comments on another thread http://forum.casebook.org/showthread.php?t=870 should we be concerned that some people are displaying intolerance towards women.

In my own view we should.

kind regards,
Chris Lowe

Or is it their way of life, that they are intolerant to?!

To make it clear; based on the facts I've read about those women, all of them just drifted - definitely unfortunately - to that kind of living!

All the best
Jukka

[Supe]

Chris,

In any case it is unethical, as there are people here who come from sciences and social sciences some of us are used to working within the restrictions of an ethical framework.

Does that mean that those of us who don't come from a science or social science background are such low-life witlings that we can't be allowed to speak our minds without paying obeisance to the strictures of an "ethical framework"? Or does it perhaps mean that those with a science or social science background normally have such offensive thoughts that they cannot function without the restraints of an ethical framework? If it is the former you have just insulted a large number of boards members. Of course, that would also mean it was the latter proposition. Nice paradox that.

As it is, those who regularly and egregiously offend on these message boards are dealt with quite effectively by their peers and by management.

Don.

[Cap'n Jack]

Surely a disabled person is not retarded, no more than a retarded person is disabled?
There are all degrees of women, just like men.
I thought we were here to quantify a killer, not ourselves?
All such nonsense should go to Pub Talk.

[Monty]

If we are talking about an Ethics Council on this site then what would its remit be?

I suppose this site, dedicated to a serial killer, as a whole could be challenged on the question of ethics. However, having spent a decade here I know that for every moron like Mr Woo at there are least three intelligent contributors. Not a bad ratio.

My advice? Ignore the d*ckhead.

Monty

[Ally]

Not to mention that people who bristle at someone being called retarded will casually use "you must be blind" or " Jeez, are you deaf?" without a second thought.

Everyone, get over it. Really.

[John Casey]

Surely a disabled person is not retarded, no more than a retarded person is disabled?

That was sorta my point. The person who referred to Woo as a retard is really showing no better attitude towards disabled people than Woo is towards women.

[Ally]

No the person who said that woo was retarded was showing no better attitude towards retards than Woo was showing towards women. People with one leg are disabled, there was no slight to them. People with no legs are disabled, no slight to them. People who as I pointed out above, are blind, no disrespect to them. Deaf, no disrespect to them, etc. So no, get the offenses straight. If we are going by PC definitions of offense, it was an offense against retards, not all disabled people everywhere as a whole.

Because, and once again, not all disabled people are retards. Or are you claiming they are? 'Cause now that would be rude. Tsk.

[Robert]

People with one leg score over people with no legs by 100%, because they have twice as many.

[anna]

Hi all,
Personally I think the idea of an ethics council on these boards is just plain rediculous.
Firstly,99%of the males on Casebook are really nice chaps who I am proud to call friends.
On this site,most of us are intelliegent enough to know what is right from wrong as we come from the generations that were taught this as children ,and we have the utmost restpect for each other and others who visit or enter these boards.
Compared to other sites,this is one of the less aggressive boards,especially when compared to the other JTR site...as members of that board who have visited over here would tell you.

As for Mr Woo.....who has called me a person without parents!!
on another thread,even though there was nothing in that thread that was either against him or any other poster....I was stating facts about JTR.
Perhaps he meant Jack and not me.....I dunno...anyway I gave him the benefit of the doubt....

If he's becomming a pain in the a** then he should be reminded of his manners when a guest on somebody else's site,by admin.
Having an opinion and being an offensive poster are two seperate things.