The Whitehall Mystery

[RockySullivan]

I would have thought there would have Bern far more than two serial killers in London in the 1800s. There is no similarity between Stride and the Pinchin Street Torso, apart from geographical location. The Torso killer's abdominal mutilations/ incisions differed from JtR. We cannot possibly know that either JtR or Torso intended to remove the uterus or what the motive was.

It seems clear to me that the ripper intended to remove the uterus...that's why he took it with him. Unless you believe he randomly sliced in the dark and luckily out popped a kidney or a uterus? Clearly his intention was to do so. And same for the torso killer. There are similarities with the circumstances of the stride murder and the pinchin torso. Proximity, Schwartz railway arch, lipski. And the anniversary of chapman murder. There are too many similarities between the torso killer and the ripper that stretch beyond the explanation of simple coincidences

[John G]

I don't agree john, two killer removing uteri is unlikely. And the glaring similarities with the pinchin torso and stride murder

Serial murders before the ripper in London in the 1800s? All of a sudden TWO men pop up and start myrdering prostitutes and both go for the uterus? Incredibly un likely

I would have thought there would have Bern far more than two serial killers in London in the 1800s. There is no similarity between Stride and the Pinchin Street Torso, apart from geographical location. The Torso killer's abdominal mutilations/ incisions differed from JtR. We cannot possibly know that either JtR or Torso intended to remove the uterus or what the motive was.

[RockySullivan]

A much simpler explanation is that JtR and the Torso murderer were different killers: Occam's razor.

I don't agree john, two killer removing uteri is unlikely. And the glaring similarities with the pinchin torso and stride murder

Serial murders before the ripper in London in the 1800s? All of a sudden TWO men pop up and start myrdering prostitutes and both go for the uterus? Incredibly un likely

[Debra A]

On the other hand, the 1857 Waterloo Bridge mystery, involving a cut up corpse of a murdered man, never was solved - the head was never found with the rest of the corpse.

Jeff

Interestingly, this is another case that Robert Anderson would write in later years had been solved, and that he knew the murderers and motive. He linked it to foreign gangland activity IIRC.

Edit because I looked it up:
It was written in the book 'Unsolved murder mysteries'. London, 1924 Charles E Pearce that a member of the French Secret Police told Anderson that the victim was an Italian spy.

[Fisherman]

But wouldn't most prostitutes be involved in prostitution only on a casual basis? Surely that's the case with the Whitechapel victims, all of whom had friends, family or partners who would have noticed if they'd gone missing.

I think there were a good number of both types, John. And I think that many of the casual prostitutes were on a sloping surface when it came to social connections. They were women who had lived orderly lives, but who had taken to a much more transient lifestyle that would have separated them from their former lives to a smaller or lesser degree. Speaking on a generalized level, their disappearance would cause much less fuss than the disappearance of any woman with a fixed societal place, if you will.