JTR compared to JFK

[Herlock Sholmes]

I said that I wasn’t going to go back into this but I have ask this. Where could a front shot have come from? It couldn’t have been the Knoll because the angle would have meant the bullet exiting on Kennedy’s left side and would have shown a diagonal pathway through his body (which it didn’t) It couldn’t have come from the Triple Underpass because there were at least 11 people on there at the time of the assassination (mainly workmen who had been identified as authorised to be there), so a gunman couldn’t have remained hidden. It couldn’t have been from the second tunnel on the left because James Tague was there and he saw or heard nothing. And there were people on the grass verge none of whom saw or heard any gunman on or near the grass at the right hand side of the tunnel that the motorcade went through. There’s nowhere left for shots to have come from….except from behind of course.

[Herlock Sholmes]

They are the same. One is a zoom shot. I didn't show the Zapruder film shot because I thought it would be better if that was done by each person who was interested. Here is the direct comparison (colourised for clarity), but please check out the actual Zapruder footage.



You second sentence is not accurate. See here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XCig...l=BradVeilleux

We will never agree on this subject of course George but I agree with David Von Pein’s comment….


“And Healy is probably perfectly happy being associated for all time with one of THE most ridiculous and evidence-free and shameful publications ever written about JFK's assassination -- "The Great Zapruder Film Hoax".“

One valid point amongst many is - if the Zapruder Film was faked why did they leave in the one piece of it that gives conspiracy theorists ammunition? The rear head snap. Why didn’t they reverse it or ‘damage’ that part of the footage? It makes absolutely no sense for someone to have doctored the footage but left the head snap in. It defeats the object.

[Fiver]

We will never agree on this subject of course George but I agree with David Von Pein’s comment….


“And Healy is probably perfectly happy being associated for all time with one of THE most ridiculous and evidence-free and shameful publications ever written about JFK's assassination -- "The Great Zapruder Film Hoax".“

One valid point amongst many is - if the Zapruder Film was faked why did they leave in the one piece of it that gives conspiracy theorists ammunition? The rear head snap. Why didn’t they reverse it or ‘damage’ that part of the footage? It makes absolutely no sense for someone to have doctored the footage but left the head snap in. It defeats the object.

That's a common problem. The Conspiracy needs to have nigh infinite resources, but be a pack of idiots.

For example, there are significant discrepancies in Charles Given's statements. Many claim he was pressured and/or bribed to change his testimony. But what did he actually claim? He saw Oswald on the 6th floor about a half-hour before the shooting. It doesn't place Oswald near the sniper's nest. It doesn't place a suspicious package in his hands. That's the testimony the Conspiracy is supposedly buying? Really?

[GBinOz]

We will never agree on this subject of course George

Hi Herlock,

Can we engage in some friendly discussion to see if we can agree on some things? Let's look at the Zapruder film here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_zwG3QdPLfw&ab_channel=mrViss

Do we agree that by frame 226 Kennedy has been hit?

At about frame 241 I see Connolly grimace, but then I see him continue to turn to the right without appearing to be in any distress. I do not see any indication that he has been shot through the chest and the wrist until the frames in the 290's where he has begun turning back to his left.

In the frames around #415 the vehicle in the Cancellare photo can be seen. I can see no figure sitting in the rear tray. I'll leave the two running figures, one of them wraith-like, for another time.

Can you tell me what you see in theses frames please?

Cheers, George

[GBinOz]

One valid point amongst many is - if the Zapruder Film was faked why did they leave in the one piece of it that gives conspiracy theorists ammunition? The rear head snap. Why didn’t they reverse it or ‘damage’ that part of the footage? It makes absolutely no sense for someone to have doctored the footage but left the head snap in. It defeats the object.

Hi Herlock,

You may find the answer to your question in the article linked below. I found it interesting, but you may not, which is your prerogative.

https://midnightwriternews.com/the-south-knoll-gunman/

Cheers, George

[Herlock Sholmes]

I’ll be honest George. If there’s any aspect of the case I’ve decided not to take anymore time discussing it’s the Zapruder Film. Now (and I’m certainly not insinuating that you would make cheap shots on this point George) I accept that some might say ‘well he doesn’t want to discus it because he sees some kind of problem’ but I’ll just have to accept that knowing that it’s not the case. It’s been studied for years and you still get 2 people seeing the same footage or stills and yet they come to a different conclusion. I really do see nothing that’s not consistent with the ‘official’ version of events. And again….why would ‘they’ Doctor the footage and yet leave in the most ‘conspiracy-friendly’ part? The head snap. It just makes no sense George.

Yes, I do get quite irritated when discussing this case in general although I do try not to. The problem is that I don’t see the case as particularly debatable. Yes, most of the details, witness testimony etc, can be argued over forever…and have been. Different interpretations can be made as in all cases. But…..and this is the biggie for me….I see Oswald’s guilt as a 100% slam dunk. I think that it’s physically and evidentially impossible that he was in any way innocent of killing Kennedy and Tippit. That he killed them is proven beyond all doubt and the arguments that are used to the contrary wouldn’t be employed in any other case but because the word ‘conspiracy’.has been attached to the assassinations it’s become acceptable to say pretty much anything in an attempt to defend Oswald or to cast doubt on the ‘official’ version. Anything can be dismissed with a cry of ‘faked,’ or ‘forged.’ Even when there’s no evidence.

Its now almost the norm to assume that the WC was corrupt which I don’t believe for a second George. Not for a second. Flawed….. certainly. Affected by CIA and FBI lies….undoubtedly. Corrupt from the outset…no chance. I’d advise anyone to read Shenon’s book on the WC. It details the commission investigators issues. How for example councils were p****d off that Warren appeared to be more concerned with the feelings of the Kennedy family rather that following up certain avenues. How they were faced with the FBI and CIA being more concerned with covering their own a***s. About the FBI’s flawed investigation and how Hoover expected everyone to simply assume that the FBI couldn’t get things wrong. Most of the council were absolute Kennedy admirers. One was a black guy who had worked closely with Martin Luther King. Most of them expected to find some kind of conspiracy involving the Soviet Union but they were surprised to find nothing. That all of these councils, investigators and commissioners were corrupt is just beyond believable imo. But the ‘corrupt commission’ has now become pretty much of a fact in many minds.

And it’s the big questions that I keep asking but it never gets properly answered (and this isn’t a dig at you in particular George) because focus keeps getting put on debated angles and velocity and the complexities of physics and ballistics. I’ll add a small selection as examples Iand I’m not demanding actions) We would surely agree that any kind of conspiracy would have included those at the very highest levels I assume……../

Why would these men (including no doubt CIA trained operatives) have stuck a gunman behind the picket fence? They would have known that there was going to be a crowd in Dealey Plaza? Just one person turns around and sees a guy with a rifle and any pretence of Oswald being the lone gunman was gone. Then there were camera’s and home movie cameras which the conspirators would have expected. How could they have been certain of rounding all of these up before anyone left Dealey Plaza? Just one photo or one piece of footage gets out and it’s game over. Why post a gunman in front of a car park full of cars where at any given time someone could have gone to their car and seen the gunman. And not just ‘a car park’,but the car park used by the Sheriffs office and the Courthouse. How is this believable? No conspiracy would possibly have taken that risk.

Why would they ‘plant’ 3 shells on the 6th floor if they had a second gunman? What if a fourth or fifth bulked was found? Game over again.

Why in an era where the biggest fear was the Soviet Union and Nuclear war would they have selected an assassin (or fall guy) who had previously defected to the USSR? Could they have done anything worse in terms of world peace than add to the suspicion that the Soviet Union were involved in the murder of the President?

Why would conspirators have gone to the massive trouble of setting up an entirely corrupt autopsy to commit a fraud on the nation in terms of the Presidents wounds and yet they did absolutely nothing about Parkland where any number of doctors, nurses, ambulance men, porters etc could have seen what ‘they’ wanted hidden? It’s like bank robbers only putting masks on after they’ve left the bank and got into the getaway car. It just makes no sense.

And if this conspiracy didn’t have enough that could have gone wrong why did they massively increase the risks with the completely pointless murder of Tippit.

Ill add an obvious one……how could a high level conspiracy have ‘forgotten’ to have a getaway car waiting near the Book Depository. They leave him wandering around catching a bus and taxi.

There are so many of these types of questions George and they are the important ones imo….not the quibbling over details. They show that this kind of conspiracy just couldn’t have taken place. No high level conspiracists could have been so stupid. It’s just impossible imo.

[Michael W Richards]

Hi Michael,

Actually my opinion is that Kennedy was hit in the back about the time he disappeared behind the road sign, and the throat shot came from the front, through the windscreen, just before he emerged from behind the sign.

Cheers, George

Thats an interesting take George, dont recall seeing anyone voice that particular option. What you see here with the pushback is that people accept general premises and even when minutia reveals that the premise doesnt make any sense, the dogma persists. I made my initial post on this thread to point out 1 bit of minutia, the lack of reaction of Connally to the shot that exited(or entered..) JFK's throat. It is in effect proof that the Magic Bullet theory, which the Warren Commission stated was the explanation for 1 bullet causing multiple wounds on multiple victims, is like it read when first released. Its basically a denial of physics. But it did support the official line of 1 assassin, 3 shots, all from the 6th floor window.

The Warren Commission included 1 person that JFK had fired earlier that year, the Head of the CIA, and when Booby Kennedy learned of the shooting first from Hoover then from the CIA head, he asked him if the CIA had anything to do with this. The brain of Kennedy, which would show without doubt the degree of damage done to it, disappears from a locker and is rumoured to have been "stolen" by Bobby. The autopsy photos of Kennedy released in the early 2000's do not show any damage to the part of his head that the medical professionals had indicated by their sketches and notes at Parkland. The brain that was stored in that secure locker was a complete brain, despite the fact that you have Jackies remarks saying she "held parts of his brain in her hand" when they arrived at Parkland. The agent who rushed forward to get Mrs Kennedy back into the rear seat said she had been trying to get pieces of his brain off the trunk and skull in "case they needed it". The windshield of the car following the Presidents was splattered with that same material. The bullet that supposedly was found in the car was intact and had not been fired from a gun. There were dozens of CIA, FBI and other security personelle at Parkland who controlled the information concerning the examination of the president. The medical experts there initially claimed the wounds were consistent with a shot fired from the "front", the exit wound being behind his right ear on the back of the head. The autopsy photos do not show any wound at the same location the sketches from the operating room indicated.

Im just citing some of the many issues, the minutia, of the event and investigation to highlight that there are many, many statements and findings that are not supported by the official Commission summary.

What this was, in my opinion, is a concerted effort to "portray" what happened as a lone gunman shooting from above and behind. Why they would be so intent on having the investigation conclude this is troubling. And the fact that the CIA was pissed with Kennedy at that time, some mob figures were feeling betrayed after helping Jack get his presidency then having his pitbull brother DA seeking to prosecute them and break up the Mafia, you have Pro Castro cubans pissed at him for Bay of Pigs, you have the CIA pissed because he didnt follow through with that plan to kill Castro, you have men that were arrested in Cuba for the bay of pigs then spend a year in a Cuban jail because of their involvement in the assassination plot before the US paid a $50M ransom for them, you have the USSR pissed for the news that Kennedy tried to assassinate Castro, and you have senior politicians pissed at Kennedy for his politics on Vietnam and getting fired by Kennedy...........then you have someone assuming power after he is killed.

Motives for killing him are plentiful, and the nonsense that a bullet changed trajectory, angle and speed to validate a "company line" of 3 bullets lone gunman, should make anyone pause before concluding anything about what actually happened, how and why. Yet many do anyway. Its easier not believe that a coup took place.

[Fiver]

Motives for killing him are plentiful, and the nonsense that a bullet changed trajectory, angle and speed to validate a "company line" of 3 bullets lone gunman, should make anyone pause before concluding anything about what actually happened, how and why. Yet many do anyway. Its easier not believe that a coup took place.

The only nonsense is the claim that the bullet changed trajectory, angle, and speed. Modern experts have analyzed the photographic evidence and confirmed the single bullet theory. The multiple shooters theory requires bullets that perform multiple course corrections in midair, start tumbling before striking an object, change direction inside the body, and completely disappear.

There certainly were motives for killing JFK. There was no coup. LBJ kept all of JFK's cabinet. The only policy change was LBJ fought harder for Civil Rights than JFK had.

[Pcdunn]

Well said, Fiver. Biographies of Johnson indicate his symparhies even in Texas tended to be for poor folk and people of color.

[GBinOz]

Motives for killing him are plentiful, and the nonsense that a bullet changed trajectory, angle and speed to validate a "company line" of 3 bullets lone gunman, should make anyone pause before concluding anything about what actually happened, how and why. Yet many do anyway. Its easier not believe that a coup took place.

Hi Michael,

In addition to the ones you named, there were others that wanted Kennedy removed.

The oil billionaires were incensed at Kennedy's proposal to remove their tax concessions.

The military hierarchy and the arms manufacturers were alarmed by the White House issued NSAM 263, which stated:
The President approved the military recommendations contained in section I B (1-3) of the report, but directed that no formal announcement be made of the implementation of plans to withdraw 1,000 U.S. military personnel by the end of 1963.

That would see and end to their cash cow in Vietnam, and was the first thing reversed by LBJ.

The privately owned Federal Reserve were worried about Kennedy's executive order 11110 which declared that it was necessary to “establish a form of permanent government control over the monetary system and the issuance of currency.” His granting the Treasury Department the authority to issue silver certificates, which was designed to promote economic growth and stability by focusing on both fiscal and monetary policy, did not survive after his death.

LBJ, and Bobby Baker, were being investigated for political corruption. LBJ knew that he was not going to be running mate at the next election, and that he faced jail time if the prosecutions were successful. This all disappeared with Kennedy's removal.

While it is true that LBJ had sympathy for poor folk and people of colour, and pushed through Kennedy's Civil Rights legislation, the poor folk and people of colour were not amongst the groups that wanted Kennedy removed.

That's some more of the Who and Why, but there is also ample evidence for the How.

The only doctors that saw the throat wound before the tracheotomy said it was an entry wound.

The autopsy diagram and the witnesses at the autopsy said that the back wound was 5-6 inches below the shoulder line, as did the holes in the clothing. Clint Hill testified to that location as well as the hole in the back on the President's head. Newman said the headshot was through Kennedy's right forehead near the temple, and blew out the back of his head. These were the two witnesses closest to Kennedy at the time and their evidence is corroborative.

Both Connolly and his wife said that Connolly was hit by a different bullet to that which struck Kennedy. Connolly's wife said that when she turned to see the President clutching his throat her husband had not been hit.

The Zapruder film shows Connolly facing forward when Kennedy is clutching his throat. The modern animations, by such as Myers, require the back shot to be raised to be a neck shot, Connolly's seat to be moved toward the centre of the car, and for Connolly to be turned to the right. The turn is not evident when the limo re-appears from behind the sign with Kennedy having already been hit, so presumably Myers is speculating that the turn and the alignment took place when the vehicle was obscured from view by the Stemmons sign. It is proposed that indications that Connolly was hit are evident in frames in the 220s and 230s, but he shows no sign that he has been shot in frames in the 240s to 280s. He keeps turning to the right and then back to the left, as he said he did, and appears to be hit around frame 290 when he started turning back to his left. This is when Connolly stated he had been hit.

The tumbling bullet theory is another myth:
REALITY CHECK: The original size of Connally’s back wound, before debridement, was only 1.5 cm—the same size allegedly as the entrance wound in Kennedy’s head. It was 3 cm after cleaning and enlarging—as Connally’s surgeon, Robert Shaw, M.D., testified. (4 WCH 104, 107; 6,WCH 85-86, 88) In his operative report, Shaw simply described the wound’s size after surgery, but in his testimony he said the original size was only 1.5 cm. And the holes in the back of Connally’s shirt and jacket were also 1.5 cm, per the FBI. (5 WCH 64)

As you say, it is easier to not believe a coup took place, and the WC was put in place to conclude a lone gunman in spite of the evidence. They didn't contemplate anyone actually reading the 888-page report, plus 26 volumes of supporting documents, a total of more than 16,000 pages. But the WC have never achieved more than 30% of the public believing their conclusion.

Cheers, George

[Herlock Sholmes]

When anyone is killed a list can be produced of people who allegedly benefitted though. This doesn’t point to conspiracy. I was going to talk about groups but let’s pick out one individual who is often cited as complicit….Lyndon Johnson. He was known as a man with faults undoubtedly but as Pat has pointed out his sympathies were obvious. He was also known as a wily operator with a fearsome reputation. Can anyone on here believe for a second that he’d have risked his career, reputation and legacy just to get rid of Kennedy? Just try and imagine for a minute the reaction and ramifications if it was shown that a Vice-President played any part in the assassination of a President. Does anyone think that one of the cagiest political operators ever would have said “yeah go for it. If someone just happens to take a photo of Grassy Knoll man that becomes public…do what. And what if Oswald is traced back to the FBI….who cares?” How could anyone believe this remotely possible?

And the minutiae Michael mentions? Every single point is disputed and it’s only if you assume that those on the conspiracy side that make those claims must be correct that a problem would exist. To do this the experts that disagree have to be ignored. If it was so obvious why aren’t there thousands of physicists who have all stood up to say “The head shot from behind, given Kennedy’s reaction, is physically impossible and must have come from the front because physics tells us so?” If it’s so obvious, as those on the conspiracy side tell us, it should be game over. There should be a queue of physicists a mile long telling us so. But there isn’t. This is a telling absence. We have movie footage, which to us layman looks strange, why isn’t this a slam dunk? Because the worlds physicists know that it isn’t. They know that, not only was Kennedy shot from behind but he could only have been shot from behind.

The Parkland doctors are quoted over the autopsy doctors (whose job it was to analyse wounds) A closer reading of the Parkland witnesses is needed. Most of them couldn’t have seen the head would because the President was lying on his back with most of the wound covered. Even CT’s disbelieve witnesses like Nurse Bell who apparently as the Doctors were frantically trying to save Kennedy pushed her way to the head of the table and insisted that the Doctor lift Kennedy’s head and show her the wound. Surely we should accept that this just isn’t plausible and is another case of someone trying get get a bit of fame. Then we have doctors like Carrico who admitted that because of the situation and the amount of blood and tissue that any doctor could easily have been mistaken. Then we have McClelland originally having the wound on the left side of the Presidents head. Then it moved to the back. Then it moved to the rear right. Then it moved to the back again. Come on. How is this believable? And why would these plotters have allowed this to happen?

Why set up a corrupt autopsy after so many people had already seen Kennedy at Parkland? No one ever, ever answers this question. Why.

[Michael W Richards]

The only nonsense is the claim that the bullet changed trajectory, angle, and speed. Modern experts have analyzed the photographic evidence and confirmed the single bullet theory. The multiple shooters theory requires bullets that perform multiple course corrections in midair, start tumbling before striking an object, change direction inside the body, and completely disappear.

There certainly were motives for killing JFK. There was no coup. LBJ kept all of JFK's cabinet. The only policy change was LBJ fought harder for Civil Rights than JFK had.

The single Magic Bullet theory wasnt believed by some Warren Commission members, nor by Sen Connally. It has NOT been "confirmed" by anyone, and the change in course and speed refers to the science behind the Magic Bullet theory, alternate theories would not require such creative trajectories.

[Michael W Richards]

Hi Michael,

In addition to the ones you named, there were others that wanted Kennedy removed.

The oil billionaires were incensed at Kennedy's proposal to remove their tax concessions.

The military hierarchy and the arms manufacturers were alarmed by the White House issued NSAM 263, which stated:
The President approved the military recommendations contained in section I B (1-3) of the report, but directed that no formal announcement be made of the implementation of plans to withdraw 1,000 U.S. military personnel by the end of 1963.

That would see and end to their cash cow in Vietnam, and was the first thing reversed by LBJ.

The privately owned Federal Reserve were worried about Kennedy's executive order 11110 which declared that it was necessary to “establish a form of permanent government control over the monetary system and the issuance of currency.” His granting the Treasury Department the authority to issue silver certificates, which was designed to promote economic growth and stability by focusing on both fiscal and monetary policy, did not survive after his death.

LBJ, and Bobby Baker, were being investigated for political corruption. LBJ knew that he was not going to be running mate at the next election, and that he faced jail time if the prosecutions were successful. This all disappeared with Kennedy's removal.

While it is true that LBJ had sympathy for poor folk and people of colour, and pushed through Kennedy's Civil Rights legislation, the poor folk and people of colour were not amongst the groups that wanted Kennedy removed.

That's some more of the Who and Why, but there is also ample evidence for the How.

The only doctors that saw the throat wound before the tracheotomy said it was an entry wound.

The autopsy diagram and the witnesses at the autopsy said that the back wound was 5-6 inches below the shoulder line, as did the holes in the clothing. Clint Hill testified to that location as well as the hole in the back on the President's head. Newman said the headshot was through Kennedy's right forehead near the temple, and blew out the back of his head. These were the two witnesses closest to Kennedy at the time and their evidence is corroborative.

Both Connolly and his wife said that Connolly was hit by a different bullet to that which struck Kennedy. Connolly's wife said that when she turned to see the President clutching his throat her husband had not been hit.

The Zapruder film shows Connolly facing forward when Kennedy is clutching his throat. The modern animations, by such as Myers, require the back shot to be raised to be a neck shot, Connolly's seat to be moved toward the centre of the car, and for Connolly to be turned to the right. The turn is not evident when the limo re-appears from behind the sign with Kennedy having already been hit, so presumably Myers is speculating that the turn and the alignment took place when the vehicle was obscured from view by the Stemmons sign. It is proposed that indications that Connolly was hit are evident in frames in the 220s and 230s, but he shows no sign that he has been shot in frames in the 240s to 280s. He keeps turning to the right and then back to the left, as he said he did, and appears to be hit around frame 290 when he started turning back to his left. This is when Connolly stated he had been hit.

The tumbling bullet theory is another myth:
REALITY CHECK: The original size of Connally’s back wound, before debridement, was only 1.5 cm—the same size allegedly as the entrance wound in Kennedy’s head. It was 3 cm after cleaning and enlarging—as Connally’s surgeon, Robert Shaw, M.D., testified. (4 WCH 104, 107; 6,WCH 85-86, 88) In his operative report, Shaw simply described the wound’s size after surgery, but in his testimony he said the original size was only 1.5 cm. And the holes in the back of Connally’s shirt and jacket were also 1.5 cm, per the FBI. (5 WCH 64)

As you say, it is easier to not believe a coup took place, and the WC was put in place to conclude a lone gunman in spite of the evidence. They didn't contemplate anyone actually reading the 888-page report, plus 26 volumes of supporting documents, a total of more than 16,000 pages. But the WC have never achieved more than 30% of the public believing their conclusion.

Cheers, George

Thanks for spelling out some of the other concerns with the accepted mythologies George. The fact that the first thing LBJ did was to rewrite the Vietnam plan and to not withdraw the troops as JFK had planned to is very curious when you imagine how much money the War machine generates for the various military arms of government and their suppliers. JFK had planned to stop that cash flow with a withdrawl. How many young men might have survived if Kennedy had his plan executed?

The fact that the throat wound was initially perceived as an entry wound is also a good reminder. Ive also read that both the gun and the bullet found on the stretcher do not match the specs based on the tracing of the evidence to the first person involved. There was some testing done to see if a bullet that passed through bone could appear as undamaged as the one produced at the hospital, and it couldnt, plus the rifle barrel has a 4" difference to the one they said supposedly was purchased by Oswald under a pseudonym.

You have to imagine that if a president gets shot there should be scrupulous records made and kept. Then what happened when they interviewed Oswald for 10-12 hours..not one note taken....and what happened to Kennedys brain....its never found again,...what happened to the statements from onlookers who swore they saw someone at the knoll, then fleeing along the railway tracks with the FBI in pursuit, ...there are plentiful amounts of questions and few satisfactory answers.

Personally I believe Oswald was a patsy like he claimed, and the framing was done sloppily in some cases.

[Fiver]

The single Magic Bullet theory wasnt believed by some Warren Commission members, nor by Sen Connally. It has NOT been "confirmed" by anyone, and the change in course and speed refers to the science behind the Magic Bullet theory, alternate theories would not require such creative trajectories.

The single bullet theory wasn't believed by LBJ or J Edgar Hoover, either. It has been confirmed by by modern forensic and ballistic experts - I've linked videos before.

The single bullet theory does not require that the bullet change course or speed. The alternate theory requires bullets that pass through solid objects without harming them or curve multiple times in midair. It requires bullets that are deflected more than 90 degrees to the left from striking soft tissue. It requires bullets that start tumbling before striking anything. It requires bullets that disappear, leaving no trace.

[Fiver]

Thanks for spelling out some of the other concerns with the accepted mythologies George. The fact that the first thing LBJ did was to rewrite the Vietnam plan and to not withdraw the troops as JFK had planned to is very curious when you imagine how much money the War machine generates for the various military arms of government and their suppliers. JFK had planned to stop that cash flow with a withdrawl. How many young men might have survived if Kennedy had his plan executed?

JFK was a hawk, who firmly believed in Containment. He had told a an anti-war politician that if re-elected he would start withdrawing US troops from Vietnam at a rate of 1000 per year, which would have resulted in the last troops being pulled out in 1980. And JFK had done nothing to execute this supposed withdrawal plan.

LBJ kept on McNamara, JFK's Secretary of Defense, who was strongly for escalating the war at that time. LBJ didn't start escalating the war until the Gulf of Tonkin Resolution, nearly a year after JFK's death.

The person who did withdraw us from Vietnam was Nixon. Nixon, the one who actually cut off the supposed cash flow, was not assassinated.