(Adrianus) Morgenstern = Astrakhan Man

[Stephen Thomas]

Is this the face of Astroman?

There's a star man waiting in the sky.

[Sally]

Oh brother, on such precarious ground another Casebook inspired Jack the Ripper suspect is born...

Probably Jon.

I'd have to observe though, that he doesn't look particularly dark; nor, indeed, surly. Dutch? Yes, that I could believe.

All the same, it's interesting to see the face of a man who once knew Mary Kelly - Astrakhan man or (probably) not.

[Wickerman]

Oh brother, on such precarious ground another Casebook inspired Jack the Ripper suspect is born...

[Sally]

http://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bin/sse.dll?gl=43&rank=1&new=1&MSAV=1&msT=1&gss=angs-g&gsfn=adrianus&gsln=morganstern&cpxt=1&catBucket=rstp&uidh=000&cp=11&so=2

Right there.

Is this the face of Astroman?

[Sally]

There's a photo of him on Ancestry.

Adrianus Lucas Morganstern - there it is, in black and white.

We can make our own judgements regarding how much he looks like Mr Hutchinson's description.

[Stephen Thomas]

2. Hutch was telling the truth. A-man was Morgenstern. He was NOT the last one with Kelly. Mrs. Maxwell was right. Market porter man killed Kelly.

Dear oh dear.

And here was me thinking you were a smart geezer.

[Wickerman]

I'll pass, insufficient cause in my opinion.

[lynn cates]

bifurcation

Hello Phil. Excellent idea for a thread. (In fact, I nearly responded to your quip.)

To answer your question, I can see no reason why not. And, yes, it would explain her interactions with A-man.

Then, one would have to decide between two scenarios.

1. Hutch was telling the truth. A-man was Morgenstern. He was the last one with Kelly. He killed Kelly.

2. Hutch was telling the truth. A-man was Morgenstern. He was NOT the last one with Kelly. Mrs. Maxwell was right. Market porter man killed Kelly.

Cheers.
LC

[The Good Michael]

Old discussion on Ancestry about Morgenstern...main idea: he was Dutch and 40 years old at the time of the murders.

http://boards.ancestry.co.uk/surnames.morgenstern/33.1.1/mb.ashx

[c.d.]

Hello Phil,

I believe GH's basic story (taken with a grain or two of salt). I think Mary told him to wait because she didn't know if Astrakhan Man was going to spend the night. If he were her old lover/pimp, based on past experience, I think she would know the answer to that question.

c.d.

[Phil H]

Something I'd like to hear the views of others on.

I suggested this (partly tongue in cheek) on the thread about the Sheldens new e-book.

Johannes or Adrianus Morgenstern were evidently affluent men. Could one of them have been the man Hutchinson described?

I have always doubted the reality of Astrakhan Man until now. But something about the obvious ostentation of his dress, and its un-English quality - as well as the way MJK was described as reacting with him - make me wonder, could this have been her old lover/pimp Adrianus?

I dount it - but I do wonder.

Phil