What 5 Questions Would You Like Answered?

[C. F. Leon]

Wouldn't the other consideration for sexual incidence be the time factor? The murders took place in very short time frames, like 15 min, from how I remember it.

*Ahem: Not much time left for mayhem and murder, btw: a great name for a Ripper book

New question No. 5. How satisfied was Jack?

The common term is "wham, bam, thank you Ma'm" (I think the phrase is of more modern origin, though! But it's the same idea.) These were usually not loving all evenings of foreplay with soft music and make the girl cum at least 3 times before you do the deed- 15 minutes WAS foreplay!

How satisfied Jack was is probably the crux of the matter- probably not very much with the actual sex, and the killings/mutilations is what got him REALLY off. I'm off course theorizing, but it is a reasonable and likely theory based on other sexual killers.

[Beowulf]

Wouldn't the other consideration for sexual incidence be the time factor? The murders took place in very short time frames, like 15 min, from how I remember it.

*Ahem: Not much time left for mayhem and murder, btw: a great name for a Ripper book

New question No. 5. How satisfied was Jack?

[C. F. Leon]

I'm not sure we would know the motive if we knew his name.
I mean : we will still be speculating, and comparing what he did to known and (more or less) similar modern serial killers.

IF we just had the name ONLY, such as 'William Long', probably not. But if we knew that it was Druitt or Kosminski, to use a couple of examples, we already speculate about THEIR motives. We would be more certain and it would no longer just be speculation, but it would be backed up by actual facts.

[C. F. Leon]

Hi Leon

"But apparently the usual method for this style of prostitution was NOT penetration, but the woman using her thighs to get the guy off."

The incidence of sexual disease among prostitutes and their clients tell a different story though.

And what if the customer wanted penetration? Do you think the prostitute would have say in the matter? I'm sure full sex took place, as far as prostitution was concerned in the LVP.

Forget profiling, have a go at common sense.

Regards

Observer

I did say apparently- I was not stating as established fact. I have seen in two different sources (Rumbelow and, I believe, Sugden- although I'm willing to be corrected if i mis-remember a source) mention that these sort of whores did use their thighs (also that rear-entry was preferred), and I believe that Ally mentions this earlier in this thread. Also, note my use of "usual", not "exclusively". Certainly if the customer preferred/demanded penetration,"give the customer what he wants, Deary". But most guys were plastered and just wanted to get get off. And the cost was probably the same. I don't think prostitutes at this low level had some sort of menu of rates for various services, although it may be possible. Many of the encounters were probably rougher and less enjoyable than the woman really would have preferred- bordering upon the MODERN definition of 'rape'. (Yes, Prostitutes can be raped.)

Someone who knows more about LVP prositution and general sex practices would have to join in. I am not an expert, and I do not pretend to be.

And profiling DOES work- under other names it is the BASIS for logical thinking and the scientific method. Patterns DO exist and can be established and trends be predicted on the information.

[Observer]

Hi Leon

"But apparently the usual method for this style of prostitution was NOT penetration, but the woman using her thighs to get the guy off."

The incidence of sexual disease among prostitutes and their clients tell a different story though.

And what if the customer wanted penetration? Do you think the prostitute would have say in the matter? I'm sure full sex took place, as far as prostitution was concerned in the LVP.

Forget profiling, have a go at common sense.

Regards

Observer

[DVV]

That said, I'm pretty certain that if we knew who 'Jack' was, we'd know more or less the motive, and vice-versa- if we knew the motive, we'd have a pretty good idea who the killer was, or at least the portion of the population that he came from. The sexual dysfunction theory is as good as any proposed and better than most. But no real evidence for it- just speculation based on modern profiling.

I'm not sure we would know the motive if we knew his name.
I mean : we will still be speculating, and comparing what he did to known and (more or less) similar modern serial killers.

[Beowulf]

Hello Barbara. Thanks.

Worthy a thread?

Cheers.
LC

Yes, but I cannot think of a proper title or first question.

Care to have a go?

[C. F. Leon]

Considering the question posed in an earlier post, namely, considering the canonical five, why the lack of sexual penetration. Might I point out that in certain subsequent series of murders,( Sutcliffe, comes to mind) the perpetrator's have not been physically capable of normal intercourse.

But apparently the usual method for this style of prostitution was NOT penetration, but the woman using her thighs to get the guy off. The state most of them were (both male and female), it probably didn't matter as long as they "had a bit of jolly".

That said, I'm pretty certain that if we knew who 'Jack' was, we'd know more or less the motive, and vice-versa- if we knew the motive, we'd have a pretty good idea who the killer was, or at least the portion of the population that he came from. The sexual dysfunction theory is as good as any proposed and better than most. But no real evidence for it- just speculation based on modern profiling.

[Observer]

Hi Obs,

Exactly. They also forget how special is 1888. When compared to the previous year, for example.
Far more important, in their opinion, is Kate's pocket.
It sures tells so much.

Cheers

Hi David

And the fact that Isenschmidt was fond of bonny trinkets!

Regards

Observer

[DVV]

Ouch! (Sounds like one my father would have made.)

I usually make worse

[Observer]

Considering the question posed in an earlier post, namely, considering the canonical five, why the lack of sexual penetration. Might I point out that in certain subsequent series of murders,( Sutcliffe, comes to mind) the perpetrator's have not been physically capable of normal intercourse.

[C. F. Leon]

And they've solved the Kesey, you know.

Cheers

Ouch! (Sounds like one my father would have made.)

[DVV]

I know of a couple of posters appearing in these very messageboards who have definitely flu over the cuckoo's nest

And they've solved the Kesey, you know.

Cheers

[DVV]

Their views on the murder's differed significantly, hence the dearth of conspiracy theories we have rebounding about at the moment. Murderer's whom have adopted very similar methods to Jack The Ripper have followed him. However certain poster's totally ignore this fact, they have an axe to grind you see.
Observer

Hi Obs,

Exactly. They also forget how special is 1888. When compared to the previous year, for example.
Far more important, in their opinion, is Kate's pocket.
It sures tells so much.

Cheers

[lynn cates]

worthy

Hello Barbara. Thanks.

Worthy a thread?

Cheers.
LC