What 5 Questions Would You Like Answered?

[lynn cates]

hurry

Hello DLDW. Thanks.

So this murderer who had to work quickly stopped to retrieve a few pence?

Cheers.
LC

[Digalittledeeperwatson]

Hullo Lynn!

[QUOTE=lynn cates;265504]Hello Abby. Thanks.

Absolutely correct--neither woman had money on her when found. I suppose their clients used invisible money to pay?

Cheers.
LC[/QUOTE

The murderer simply took it.

[lynn cates]

no money

Hello Abby. Thanks.

Absolutely correct--neither woman had money on her when found. I suppose their clients used invisible money to pay?

Cheers.
LC

[DVV]

Have you noticed, Abby ?
It's easier to get food and drinks when you have some money.

Cheers

[Abby Normal]

Hello Abby. Eddowes soliciting immediately upon release from gaol? No food? No drink? No privy? Already in fear of being late?

Surely Stride is much more likely--poor as the argument is.

Cheers.
LC

No money either.

[lynn cates]

Kate

Hello Abby. Eddowes soliciting immediately upon release from gaol? No food? No drink? No privy? Already in fear of being late?

Surely Stride is much more likely--poor as the argument is.

Cheers.
LC

[Abby Normal]

Nichols, chapman and eddowes-probably actively prostituting.

Stride-probably not prostituting. Probably looking for a new boyfriend and hanging with a man she just met.

Kelly-50/50 she was actively engaged in prostituting or looking for a new boyfriend/having a one nighter with Blotchy.

There is little doubt that they were all prostitutes at some time. And unfortunately it's like being a boxing champ, head coach or president. Once you are one of these , you are always (referred to as) one of these.

[Robert]

Well if you throw in the towel when you make a sponge no wonder someone threw up the sponge.

[lynn cates]

sponges and towels

Hello Rivkah.

To "throw up the sponge" is to "throw in the towel."

Cheers.
LC

[RivkahChaya]

You require the most telling of evidence that Stride and Eddowes were soliciting, Mike; and yet you insist that we "know" that Nichols and Chapman were doing so on the basis of outright assumption.

Why was Chapman still soliciting some three or four hours after being turned away by Timothy Donovan?

Would she have been willing to sell her honor for a two or three hour doss at four in the morning? Perhaps; but we certainly don't "know" that to be the case.

For the record, Mike, I perceive the active solicitation scenario as being the single most likely, with regard to the last hours of Nichols's and Chapman's respective lives. But I do not pretend to "know" as much, and neither should you.

Yeah. What he said.

Is "throwing up the sponge" a British expression I don't know, or did Annie Chapman literally throw up a sponge? If so, why did she eat a sponge in the first place?

[lynn cates]

motives

Hello Colin. Thanks.

Why did Polly go towards the horse slaughter yard? Why did Tompkins admit that ladies came up to the gates? Why did Polly take her tryst over to Buck's Row?

Most important, what do YOU believe?

Annie likely threw up the sponge earlier and went to sleep in the passage at #29.

Cheers.
LC

[lynn cates]

question

Hello David. Thanks.

"Why don't you answer my question?"

What question? All I see are assertions punctuated with snide remarks.

Cheers.
LC

[Colin Roberts]

You require the most telling of evidence that Stride and Eddowes were soliciting, Mike; and yet you insist that we "know" that Nichols and Chapman were doing so on the basis of outright assumption.

Why was Chapman still soliciting some three or four hours after being turned away by Timothy Donovan?

Would she have been willing to sell her honor for a two or three hour doss at four in the morning? Perhaps; but we certainly don't "know" that to be the case.

For the record, Mike, I perceive the active solicitation scenario as being the single most likely, with regard to the last hours of Nichols's and Chapman's respective lives. But I do not pretend to "know" as much, and neither should you.

[DVV]

Quintessential point

That's an interesting point.

Lol.

All the best

[Michael W Richards]

I happen to agree wholeheartedly with the idea that Polly Nichols and Annie Chapman essentially admitted to attempts at "earning" money after 12pm, and she was far drunker than some pittance she might get begging would allow for. Even with multiple successes. We know Polly used the workhouses like homes for years and I dont recall hearing about her doing anything legitimate for money....like hopping, or cleaning for example. It also seems pretty clear in the case of Annie Chapman, heading out to earn her doss after 1:30am that the same applies. Its a logical and supportable answer to why those 2 women were out on the streets on those particular nights.

The same answer is not readily available or supportable in the evidence concerning Kate, but as mentioned, she got very drunk before 8:30pm without any known money...and streetwalkers generally didnt work in the waning daylight. It is possible then that she got money some other way. We know that Liz made money that very day, in the same way that she had done for years, by cleaning. We know she left with the money, and, that she died with 2 new items in her possession, the cashous and the flower arrangement.

Also in the case of Kate, you would have to discount everything John Kelly says about their relationship and habits, and other witnesses, to assume she even casually solicited.

What we know is that it is almost certain that the first 2 Canonicals were actively soliciting when they met their killer, and that fact makes it possible that his choice of victim might well be related to that occupation.

We know that Liz Stride was seen talking with several men up until the time she is seen in the company of a man in the street by the club, by PC Smith at 12:35am. We know that a witness claims to have seen Kate talking with a man outside Mitre Square around 1:35am. Neither of those situations offers any conclusive answers about who they were talking to and why they were there....that is for us to figure out, or for some, to merely assume.

Cheers