GSG Conclusion

[Mark J D]

... I think PC Smith saw the killer...

I'm finding it increasingly difficult to conceive of our man as someone who knows he's been seen and then kills anyway.

I can't make it work, Miller's Court aside (possibly)...

M.

[Iconoclast]

I'm finding it increasingly difficult to conceive of our man as someone who knows he's been seen and then kills anyway.

I can't make it work, Miller's Court aside (possibly)...

M.

There is every possibility that he knew he'd been seen on the evening of the 'double event'. A sketch - purportedly - of the Whitechapel killer was published by the Daily Telegraph on October 6 based almost certainly on the evidence of Matthew Packer which suggested that he had seen Jack's face - so well that Jack wrote a threatening letter to him warning him off continuing to help the police in their enquiries:

You though yourself very clever I reckon when you informed the police. But you made a mistake if you though I dident see you Now I know you know me and I see your little game, and I mean to finish you and send your ears to your wife if you show this to the police or help them if you do I will finish you. It no use your trying to get out of my way Because I have you when you don’t expect it and I keep my word as you soon see and rip you up. Yours truly
Jack the Ripper

The letter could obviously have been a hoax, but it's interesting that the writer claimed "Now I know you know me".

Ike

[Mark J D]

... There is every possibility that he knew he'd been seen on the evening of the 'double event'. A sketch - purportedly - of the Whitechapel killer was published by the Daily Telegraph on October 6 ... [etc]...

Thanks for this!

My point, though, is still that in the absence of any motivation for killing a specific woman at a specific time, all our man has to do upon 'being seen' is *walk away* -- whereupon the need, inter alia, to write threatening letters to nosey greengrocers simply *evaporates*... Nothing happens; no-one sees anything; there's nothing to remember; and he simply tries again with a different woman five blocks away...

-- Anyone got a copy of that sketch published by the Daily Telegraph on October 6?? I'd still like to see it! :-)

Bests,

M.

[caz]

Hi Ike,

I wondered if the threatening letter was aimed at the 'Hungarian' [Schwartz], whose story appeared in the Star and described the man he saw assaulting Stride.

Packer may have sold grapes to Stride's killer, but he didn't witness this man mistreating her in any way - quite the opposite if he was treating her to the grapes.

Love,

Caz
X

[Iconoclast]

Thanks for this!

My point, though, is still that in the absence of any motivation for killing a specific woman at a specific time, all our man has to do upon 'being seen' is *walk away*, and the need, inter alia, to write threatening letters to nosey greengrocers simply *evaporates*... Nothing happens; no-one sees anything; there's nothing to remember; and he simply tries again with a different woman five blocks away...

-- Anyone got a copy of that sketch published by the Daily Telegraph on October 6?? I'd still like to see it! :-)

Bests,

M.

It's probably available in more than Maybrick-related textbooks, but here's a Maybrick-related one. What makes this version weak is that Harrison (?) used a photograph of Michael Maybrick as a comparator, confusing it with James.

I'll see if I can find a photograph of the twin sketches (one with and one without a moustache).

Cheers,

Ike

[Iconoclast]

Hi Ike,

I wondered if the threatening letter was aimed at the 'Hungarian' [Schwartz], whose story appeared in the Star and described the man he saw assaulting Stride.

Packer may have sold grapes to Stride's killer, but he didn't witness this man mistreating her in any way - quite the opposite if he was treating her to the grapes.

Love,

Caz
X

Hi Caz,

Yes, quite possibly. I'm sure I've read elsewhere that the letter may have gone to Joseph Lawende.

Personally, I'd have developed chronic double incontinence if I got such a missive, so perhaps we should look for any witness who did not testify?

Ike

[Mark J D]

... I'll see if I can find a photograph of the twin sketches (one with and one without a moustache)...

Thanks everso! This one is great! :-)

Bests,

M.

[caz]

Hi Ike,

Of course, if the killer did use the paper bag containing black grapes to transport Eddowes's apron piece and organs safely away from Mitre Square, Trev could add more conjecture to his sanitary napkin theory.

I'm thinking fondly of Nobby's Piles.

Love,

Caz
X

[caz]

Hi Caz,

Yes, quite possibly. I'm sure I've read elsewhere that the letter may have gone to Joseph Lawende.

Personally, I'd have developed chronic double incontinence if I got such a missive, so perhaps we should look for any witness who did not testify?

Ike

Didn't Schwartz flee incontinently from Berner Street? Maybe he ate some grapes too and they loosened him up!

Pip pip.

Love,

Caz
X

[Iconoclast]

Thanks everso! This one is great! :-)

Bests,

M.

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Ike

[Iconoclast]

Didn't Schwartz flee incontinently from Berner Street? Maybe he ate some grapes too and they loosened him up!

Pip pip.

Love,

Caz
X

You do make me laugh, Caz!

Pip pip - I love it! (And yet I don't know why!)

Ike

[Iconoclast]

Hi Ike,

I'm thinking fondly of Nobby's Piles.

Love,

Caz
X

For the younger Ripperologists amongst us who may be thinking Nobby must have been a key witness who saw Jack tie his shoelace with his teeth at 12.37am in Berner Street, et cetera, let me dissuade you of that view:



Ike

[Iconoclast]

Still my favourite, by the way ...

[caz]

There is every possibility that he knew he'd been seen on the evening of the 'double event'. A sketch - purportedly - of the Whitechapel killer was published by the Daily Telegraph on October 6 based almost certainly on the evidence of Matthew Packer which suggested that he had seen Jack's face - so well that Jack wrote a threatening letter to him warning him off continuing to help the police in their enquiries:

You though yourself very clever I reckon when you informed the police. But you made a mistake if you though I dident see you Now I know you know me and I see your little game, and I mean to finish you and send your ears to your wife if you show this to the police or help them if you do I will finish you. It no use your trying to get out of my way Because I have you when you don’t expect it and I keep my word as you soon see and rip you up. Yours truly
Jack the Ripper

The letter could obviously have been a hoax, but it's interesting that the writer claimed "Now I know you know me".

Ike

Hi Ike,

On checking the dates, I see that the threatening letter was dated October 6, and the Star interview with Schwartz was published five days earlier, on October 1.

The wording of the letter tends to suggest the author was referring to what Schwartz told the Star man:

'Information which may be important was given to the Leman Street police yesterday by an Hungarian concerning this murder... It seems that he had gone out for the day and his wife had expected to move, during his absence, from their lodgings in Berner Street, to others in Backchurch Lane.'

'6 Oct 1888
You though your-self very clever I reckon
when you informed the police But you
made a mistake if you though I dident
see you now I know you know me and
I see your little game, and I mean
to finish you and send your ears to
your wife if you show this to the police
or help them if you do I will finish
you. It no use your trying to get out
of my way Because I have you when
you don't expect it and I keep my
word as you soon see and rip you
up Yours truly
Jack the Ripper'

[vertically down left side] 'You see I know your
address.'

Assuming Schwartz was indeed the intended recipient of this nastiness, he'd have needed someone to translate it for him if he was ever shown it, as he had no English. But if that happened I could see how frightened he'd have been for himself and his wife. If the author had read the early inquest reports in The Times, he would not have found the 'Hungarian' telling his story there. Would this have reassured him, if he was indeed the killer, or made him angry that the police appeared to be protecting a vital witness from being publicly identified, provoking him into firing off that letter?

If it was a hoax, it was a particularly insightful one, but a rotten joke to play on this witness to Stride's assault.

Love,

Caz
X

[caz]

For the younger Ripperologists amongst us who may be thinking Nobby must have been a key witness who saw Jack tie his shoelace with his teeth at 12.37am in Berner Street, et cetera, let me dissuade you of that view:



Ike

Ooh, me arse grapes!