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Highly recommend reading the Inquest via the link previously supplied in red.
If you read anything that says Stride had grapes in one hand,take it with big mobs of salt.
She was strangled to death.
This is born out by Phillips' examination of her heart.Just take my word for it.Casebookers are not much chop when it comes to medical detail.
Like the other C5,there was no arterial spray.Her heart had stopped beating.
Beware of CUB products as they are produced for Poms and Seppos,not Aussies.
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Interesting points.Originally posted by Al Bundy's Eyes View Post
Thought the following might be handy.
The closed for the night bottleshop whose doorway Pipeman emerged from,on the corner.
Later taken over by a suspect's brother.
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From Fanny's to the chandlers shop.
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Some guy with Stride's bottom lip.Requires cachous to stop bleeding.
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The baker's shop was a block "up" Berner Street at the corner of Boyd Street.Think it was 70 Berner Street.
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We don't drink them out of shoes either!Originally posted by DJA View Post
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Good advice from Dr Shoe of Shoe Lane.My name is Dave. You cannot reach me through Debs email accountComment
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I'm making my way through it.Originally posted by DJA View Post
There seems to be no sign of grapes. Only Diemschutz ever mentions grapes. Therefore it is reasonable to assume that the mention of grapes in her right hand, was a lie.
There may have been grapes at some point, but presumably the pony was quite hungry after a long days work, and ate the lot.
It seems to me that both the scarf and shoulder bruising are highly significant factors in the murder.
How did JtR manage to get behind her though, so he could tighten the scarf and grab her shoulders, before pulling her backwards?
There must have been a brief period when she dropped her attention away from Jack, and onto something in front of her.
But what? The pony fits the bill perfectly.
Also noted was the large number of people in the lane;
So pony and cart were well away by this stage, no doubt thanks to Diemschutz thoughtfully <strike>driving it into</strike> leaving it in the stabling area.Constable Henry Lamb: On my arrival there were about thirty people in the yard, and others followed me in. No one was nearer than a yard to the body. As I was examining the deceased the crowd gathered round, but I begged them to keep back, otherwise they might have their clothes soiled with blood, and thus get into trouble.
There was no arterial spray on the wall, or any blood around the body (save for the stream from the neck, of course).
This suggests the throat slash occurred away from the position of death.
This was the movement that caused the pony to shy to the left.Dr. Phillips: It was possible for the woman to draw up her legs after the wound, but she could not have turned over.
My pony decoy theory clears up the ambiguity of when the pony and cart reaches its final location on the night - right after Diemschutz witnesses or commits the murder.
It also explains why Diemschutz had so much to say about the dead woman's appearance - he interacted with her before her death.
It also explains the missing grapes - Liz was given them and encouraged to feed them to the pony (none were left in her hand - Diemschutz made an error here).
Finally, it explains the shying movement of the pony - it is reacting to Elizabeth's final motion.Andrew's the man, who is not blamed for nothingComment
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Jack offered Stride a tissue containing cachous.
She has taken it out of his palm with a left forefinger and thumb.
He has immediately moved to strangle her and take her to ground.
There is a medical term for the cachous remaining.
She was dead when he cut her throat.There was no blood spray.
Ripperologists only see cachous as breath fresheners.
They were astringent medicine for her bottom lip.My name is Dave. You cannot reach me through Debs email accountComment
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Simpler.
However, now Liz and Jack are front-to-front (rather than front-to-back). This makes it harder for Jack, as Liz still retains her peripheral vision and dexterity.
It also doesn't explain the "grapes issue".
Can you provide some links or background to back up the strangulation claim?
I haven' come across this yet, as far as I recall.Andrew's the man, who is not blamed for nothingComment
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For the third timeOriginally posted by NotBlamedForNothing View Post
there was no blood spray in the yard.
She was strangled.
Phillips autopsy of her heart was consistent with strangulation.
Tally being two out of two for strangulation.
BS man,who was possibly a soldier named Carter,seems to have eaten the 8 oz of grapes he purchased from Packer.
There were none in her stomach/small intestines when autopsied.Last edited by DJA; 01-04-2020, 01:30 PM.My name is Dave. You cannot reach me through Debs email accountComment
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Hereditary hemorrhagic telangiectasia - Wikipedia
[Coroner] Did you examine the blood at Berner-street carefully, as to its direction and so forth? - Yes.
[Coroner] The blood near to the neck and a few inches to the left side was well clotted, and it had run down the waterway to within a few inches of the side entrance to the club-house.
[Coroner] Were there any spots of blood anywhere else? - I could trace none except that which I considered had been transplanted - if I may use the term - from the original flow from the neck. Roughly estimating it, I should say there was an unusual flow of blood, considering the stature and the nourishment of the body.
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I'll give you two out of four for strangulation.For the third time there was no blood spray in the yard.
She was strangled.
Phillips autopsy of her heart was consistent with strangulation.
Tally being two out of two for strangulation.
Bruising to the neck gets you to three, and a swollen tongue gets you to four
Diemschutz said he saw grapes in her right hand, when it was unclenched by a doctor.BS man,who was possibly a soldier named Carter,seems to have eaten the 8 oz of grapes he purchased from Packer.
There were none in her stomach when autopsied.
No one else saw grapes!
Diemschutz' memory is extrapolating from the point that she did have grapes in her hand, shortly before her death.
But his memory is "playing tricks", and the anomaly of only Diemschutz seeing grapes in her dead hand, should have been recognized and questioned.Andrew's the man, who is not blamed for nothingComment
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Means "less than expected"?NB."an unusual flow of blood"
When I read that I wondered if it meant the opposite, but settled on 'ambiguous'.
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OK.
I give in.My name is Dave. You cannot reach me through Debs email accountComment
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It was an admirable effort Dave, but sometimes we need to pick our battles. I'm surrendering too.Originally posted by DJA View Post
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