Diemschutz' pony and cart - an obstruction to proceedings?

[DJA]

Time to enjoy the weekend!

Hope it's cold and wet.

[NotBlamedForNothing]

Oh crikey,Monty Python like cartoons of several jews and a blanket shuffling between murder sites

The blanket is a modest improvement on the flying carpet, if I don't say so myself

[Al Bundy's Eyes]

Oh crikey,Monty Python like cartoons of several jews and a blanket shuffling between murder sites

Puts me in mind of The Spanish Inquisition sketches, but with a gang of anarchist Jews jumping out of the shadows shouting "no one expects Jack The Ripper!"

[DJA]

Got to keep a good sense of humour about it.

Got me a case of the humors from this thread

[DJA]

Oh crikey,Monty Python like cartoons of several jews and a blanket shuffling between murder sites

[Al Bundy's Eyes]

I have more threads in store and I shant quit writing them till I do get buckled

Got to keep a good sense of humour about it.

[NotBlamedForNothing]

10 pages and counting...
We've only got ourselves to blame. I was hooked from page 1. Oh, the shame.

I have more threads in store and I shant quit writing them till I do get buckled

[drstrange169]

Time to enjoy the weekend!

[DJA]

Early favorite for The Pierre Cup 2020.

[Al Bundy's Eyes]

10 pages and counting...
We've only got ourselves to blame. I was hooked from page 1. Oh, the shame.

[NotBlamedForNothing]

>> Blackwell is referring to the general area around the body.
Johnson is referring to the gutter, in which blood is streaming from the neck down to the door.
On that interpretation, the trodden in blood is intriguing.<<

All club members were checked and found to be free of blood, so we know it was not any of them, which leaves Johnston or one of the early arriving policemen as the likely culprit.

Nobody can serious believe that bloody footprints leading towards the body from the street is something people as experienced as Phillips and Reid would have ignored.

Don't you mean?...

All club members on site were checked and found to be free of blood...

A couple of others had ducked off to Mitre Square.
Who knows what other precautions were taken? Shoes off?

Suppose Stride is placed on a blanket, throat is cut, and then blanket is lifted closer to to death position.
As the blanket is lifted at each corner, the body weight causes the blanket to sag in the middle (obviously).
The sagging causes the legs to bend at the knees - precisely the position she then remains in.
The position of the gate more or less explains the oblique angle of the body to the wall.
Ref: https://www.casebook.org/dissertatio...isherman2.html

As the body is lifted via blanket, some blood seeps through and lands on the ground.
The blood is unintentionally walked on.
However, there are no footprints leading up to the body. It's not as simple as that - feet movement is "all over the place".

What my scenario can't account for (so far) is the blood on the right hand and wrist.
The best I can come up with at this stage is;

1. Stride is lifted off blanket
2. Arms are (or had been) folded across chest - this facilitates rolling
3. Stride is rolled over onto her left side - left arm is then pinned under body, but right arm remains free
4. Stride - grimly hanging onto life - instinctively moves her right hand to her neck
5. Blood smears the back of her hand and wrist
6. Hand is moved back by one of the men
7. No further movement of arm

For further inspiration, I may have to wait for Liz to come to me in a dream...

[drstrange169]

>> Another lie in bold above, all other witness accounts have only the left hand gate open. Its why Liz wasnt visible from the street, she was behind it, and we have corroberation for that to have been the normal case by prior witness observations on other nights.<<


Ummm ...

"I went into the yard, and noticed that the gates were opened." William Wess

"I saw nothing on the ground. The gates were thrown wide back. Morris Eagle

"I passed the gate of the yard a few minutes before twelve o'clock alone. The doors were open, and, so far as I could tell, there was nothing inside then." The young women meeting her sweetheart as reported in the Echo.

[drstrange169]

>> Maybe if we didnt use quotes from someone who lied at the Inquest and to the Police it might be clearer Josh. Louis said he arrived "precisely" at 1...<<

Maybe if you put quotation marks round a word, you should use the right word. "Exactly" was the word Deimshitz was quoted as saying not "precisely". Not important really, other than to show the lack of thought gone into your post.

Here's what Deimshitz's is quoted as saying, back in it's full and important context,

"I left home about half-past eleven on Saturday morning, and returned home exactly at one o'clock on Sunday morning. I noticed the time at Harris's tobacco shop at the corner of Commercial-road and Berner-street."

Deimshitz's time is determined by Harris's clock. Can you show me where any other witness references their time by that same clock? If not, there is no case to answer. You are simply making up a notion that time was universally synced in 1888. If we want to talk about lies that is the possibly the bigger one.

The same "lie" is used in the Crossmere theory and it's just as "dishonestly" used there too!

[drstrange169]

>>Especially the right. Left hand also has to cover the mouth.<<

So we are looking for a three handed man, that shouldn't have been to hard to find.

You still haven't explained why there were no thumb marks on Mrs Stride's back.

However, Dr. Phillips description is perfect in sync with somebody grabbing her from the front. The fingers bruising the shoulders whilst the opposing thumbs bruised just under the collar bone. The exact span of a hand.



>> ... a man could clench the arms of a woman the size of Liz Stride, and still be able to press thumbs into collar bone region<<

In which case there would be bruising to the arms or wrists.



>>Did Schwartz actually hear choked screams?
I know he sees a woman talking to a man, but maybe it just looked like that from a distance, in the darkness.<<

What Schwartz definitely didn't see, was a group of men, a blanket and a pony and cart!



>>Cutting along the line of the scarf would I think, require the cutter to be in front or above her.<<

So he was left handed?

Why did he have to deliberately cut exactly along the scarf line? What was the point of that?

Isn't there a far more logic answer that explains just about everything?



>>Grab her front and back, restraining arms and covering mouth (or stuffing it with a sock)<<

Disproved by the forensic evidence and Schwartz's if he is to be believed.



>>Cachous packet falls to ground, and is picked up by a man (don't won't to muddy the evidence)<<

Dr Blackwell split the cachous, you really have to start reading the evidence.

Sorry, but the rest just isn't worth commenting on. We've gone from ponies covered in blood to blankets in the street.

Time to move on folks, nothing to see here.

[drstrange169]

>> How well does this fit with Dr Blackwell's description of the incision?<<

Perfectly, as noted by Dr Phillips.