Mary Kelly - Profile

[jason_c]

Hi Jason and Corey, the point Im trying to make is that every time theres a spark of hope in the form of solid evidence something comes along and pops in a shadow of doubt. Lets face it, the police were unprepared and pretty lame at the time and alot of the evidence was lost. I used to think it was 100% Mary but there is now some doubt.

Also, how would anyone be able to positively identify that women?

No-one similar was reported missing at that time. That in itself points at least in Kelly being the likely victim.

As for identifying the body, her eyes and ears were noted by Barnett. Some have argued that "ears" was a misquote, and that her hair was a more likely identifying feature. Looking at the pic the hair does seem fairly distinctive.

[Witch]

No-one similar was reported missing at that time. That in itself points at least in Kelly being the likely victim.

How often Kelly-like "unfortunates" were reported missing back then? How many people would give a damn about a wellbeing of a homeless prostitute?

[Phil Carter]

Hello Corey,

You say that you feel it safe to say that it was Mary Kelly that died at no. 13...

The woman is not traceable. Not in 122 years has anyone pinned her down to a background with fact as a base. Now that means that many, many very competant and professional genealogists, researchers, historians, archive experts etc have failed to identify her. Every which way but loose has been looked at....both in London, England, Wales, Ireland, and even France. Nothing. Not one tangible piece of factual proof for the existance of "Mary Jane Kelly".

That tells me that this woman wasn't "Mary Kelly" by her real name. Many many people used aliases in this time period, especially in this sort of area, the very poor and down and outs. Not just men, but women too. Eddowes did it amongst others...

No, the overwhelming weight of evidence is that "Mary Kelly" was not her real name..ergo... your "safety" at whom she was is perilously wobbly, in my honest opinion.

Being identified as a woman calling herself Mary Kelly doesn't identify her real name in any way whatsoever. No matter how many people knew her as such..

best wishes

Phil

[Sally]

Indeed, Phil. Maybe her name was Louisa, or Emily - or both. I certainly think there's an argument for her using an alias, if not several - in fact we have hints of this, don't we? What about 'Fair Emma'?

[corey123]

Hello Phil,

Did you happen to only read that post or the rest as well?

Have a good evening my friend.

Corey

[jason_c]

How often Kelly-like "unfortunates" were reported missing back then? How many people would give a damn about a wellbeing of a homeless prostitute?

I did have this at the back of my mind when I posted. It was still a stroke of luck for Kelly if it were the case. Along with no-one sighting Kelly again in her life.(Maxwell incident excepted)

[Phil Carter]

Hello Corey,

Yes, I did indeed read it all, but focused on the concluding sentence, which seemed to me at least to be a little too "safe" and "certain"..but horses for courses as they say... you could well be correct. Who knows eh?

best wishes

Phil

[corey123]

Hello Phil,

Indeed, let me rephrase myself . I feel it safe to say the woman who perused the name 'Mary Kelly' died in No.13 Millers court.

[sleekviper]

It is possible that her name may have been Mary Kelly, and she was still impossible to research if she was born out of wedlock. If she is born and given her mothers maiden name, then changes it to her biological fathers name on a quest to find him, there would be the impossible task of connecting the names to the same person. One of the most controversial theories in American history is based on a similar point. The theory is that an English scientist decided that he wanted England to house his papers, and collection of minerals and rocks for public viewing, and they said no. So he wrote to the United States, they said that they would, so in his will, it says that if his nephew produces no heir, his estate is to go to the United States for the education of the nation, and his work and collection on display. He knows his nephew is gay, and no heir is created, so on the death of the nephew, the president sends a fellow named Rush to England to collect the property. It takes two years for Rush to return, and a further twenty for the United States to decide what to do with it, or if they should even accept it. The great grandson of Benjamin Franklin champions an idea, and the worlds largest Museum, our national museum and zoo, are created, the Smithsonian. The scientist, James Smithson, was connected to English royalty through his mother, but was born out of wedlock. He had his mothers maiden name, but changed it to that of his father as an adult, which some theorize led to his being denied by the English, since tracing him with a name change was a dead end in regards to his request. No one can say for sure that he had been denied, but for someone who had never been to America, it makes a great deal of sense.