The writing - a name?

[JacknJill]

Ok, so an interesting suggestions was made to me by one of the children in my class about the message that JTR supposedly left on the wall. "The Juwes are the men who will not be blamed for nothing." (or any of the other various versions).
Though the rest of the class thought it somewhat silly I thought perhaps he had a point. What if - rather than Juwes referring to the Jewish population, it was actually a name. A surname perhaps? Which would explain it's capital J and the strange spelling of it.
Also, JTR (if indeed he did write it) seemed to have wrote it almost specifically. He purposefully placed lines and began each with a capital.

"The Juwes are
The men that
Will not
be Blamed
for Nothing."

It seems to be written in some sort of purposeful style - eg - Will not is placed so far out instead of being written in line with the other sentences. Perhaps it is nothing, just the over imagination of a kid. But I thought perhaps he did have a point. I tried searching for Whitechapel censorship but of course couldn't find any definite results no matter how hard I tried.

[Autolycus]

Who were the Jewers?

Hi JacknJill,

The thought of a similar sounding surname had occured to me as well. In fact, on a previous unrelated thread, I think Chris Scott found a contemporary or near contemporary reference to a family called the "Jewers". I seem to recall that one of them had some sort of criminal record.

If Chris is around, perhaps he could enlighten us?

Regards,
Autolycus.

[Chris Scott]

Jewer was an uncommon surname
In 1881 there were 18 listed and in 1891 there were 14
The large majority of these of this name came from one place.... Wimborne in Dorset!
I don't recall finding anything about a Jewer with a criminal record.

[Autolycus]

Hi Chris,

Many Thanks.

Regards,
Autolycus.

[DaveMc]

I don't see a name other than by imagination in the writing.
If there were some cleverness to the use of capitalization, the use of "Juwes" would be more clear.
Plus, we don't know if the person used the capital letters or it was the style of the officer who copied it down.
That photo Warren chose not to take sure would have been handy.
Too bad it didn't dawn on him to drape a bed sheet over it.

[kensei]

Or a towel, or piece of newspaper, or the body of a cop ordered to stand guard. Something!

[The Good Michael]

The jujubes are not the ones to be blamed for nothing.

Lemming of the BDA

[j.r-ahde]

Hello you all!

Just noticed this after the Pentagram thread in General discussion!

Yes, with common sense the word "Juwes" just means "jews" spelled incorrectly. The only clue the word could give, is the home region of the writer.

Yet, it's quite possible, that JtR didn't write that!

All the best
Jukka

[Autolycus]

Just for clarification.

I don't believe the GSG was written by or connected with JtR.

I feel that it is much more likely to have been related to some local disagreement that was going on. It is just possible that this involved a family with a names like the Juwers.

Regards,
Autolycus.

[Mike Covell]

Maybe one could copy and paste the graffitti into a box of squares and create a ripper code, similar to the diary code, using equidistant letter skips.

TheJuwesareThementhatWillnotbeBlamedforNothing

[Pippin Joan]

Maybe its an anagram for something disgusting, if Lewis Carroll was the Ripper. Honestly, the GSG was just a coincidental item. The Ripper was hardly going to clean off his hands and ditch the filthy rag, and then get a sudden inspiration to make a social statement on the wall. Lucky he had a stick of chalk in his pocket! The grammar and spelling indicate to me a person who was not a native English speaker. I like the thinking of your student though. One idea I've considered is that the sentence was not anti-Jewish, but a grammatically twisted statement of defiance, along the lines of "You ain't blaming me for nothing!"

[DaveMc]

Just for clarification.

I don't believe the GSG was written by or connected with JtR.

I feel that it is much more likely to have been related to some local disagreement that was going on. It is just possible that this involved a family with a names like the Juwers.

Regards,
Autolycus.

It's connected since a piece of Eddowes' apron was reported to be found there.
Otherwise, I agree.

The killer had plenty of time to leave messages at the Kelly murder and didn't.
Nor any other site.
It could be a message written by a frustrated citizen who felt the Police were showing the Jewish community special protection.

Apart from that, I believe I have read that it was primarily Jews who lived in that particular building. Why would a Jewish killer scrawl an insult on a building inhabited by Jews?

Why would a man murder non-Jewish women and display an anger towards Jews?

Again, if it's boasting or trying to incite anger against the Jews, then why not be boastful at the Kelly murder?
Why not leave some Jewish symbol at the scenes of the murders?

It makes little sense to me that the message was written by the killer.

[JacknJill]

Unfortunately, I do agree that it is highly unlikely, actually more likely a definite no that the writing was done by JTR. I thought however that it was an interesting comment that probably deserved a post even if it did come up with nothing. Thanks Scott for dropping by too.
Maybe one day someone will invent a time machine and we can go back and see what happened in Whitechapel, cause unless that happens I highly doubt it could ever be solved. Not completely. It's been too long, too much evidence has been tampered with or lost, and it's impossible for everybody to agree, lol.
I do think it's possible though, that Juwes wasn't just a mispelling of Jews. But we'll never get proof. And the capital letters were probably written in by the officer, by force of habit if nothing else, good point that.

[GregBaron]

Message......

The discussion made me think that if clever enough, doubtful in my view, perhaps this ignorant message is a cryptogram of some sort? I'm a student of Edgar Allan Poe and other cryptographers so it piques my interest. Think it very remote but if someone could come up with something from say the opening letters of each word TJATMTWNBBFN that might give some person with alot of time on their hands something to do. I expect it's already been done? I agree that it's probably not JTR but some local with a beef but if JTR was educated and wanted to appear otherwise, perhaps he threw in a smart cryptogram? What do y'all think? BTW, I'm the rare American in here so I like to throw in my Southern slang's sometimes for grins.......

Greg

[looby64]

Typed Juwes into Google and this came up:

In the ritual of Master Mason, Hiram Abif was slain by three ruffians collectively termed The Juwes. According to C.C. Zain, these three represent the Midheaven, the Ascendant and the Descendent position of the sun (1). The solar motif is picked up because their collective name has the gematria value of 1908 and thereby measures a Seal of Solomon with sides of 318, hence Ηλιος - the Sun. They also, in some fashion, personate the new moon because 1908 divided by three is 636, value of Η Νου Μηνια - The New Moon. The conjunction of the sun and the new moon are a central part of the ritual of Master Mason.

Just thought it interesting that a Masons link has been mentioned before, and wasn't it claimed that the murders may have been committed by more than one person.
Just goes to show that I can make nothing out of nothing. LOL