Two things that don't make sense!

[Steve F]

If only.....

....the 2 witnesses who claimed they heard cries of 'murder' had bothered to investigate!It's been said many times that cries of that nature were common but you would've thought one of them would've been a little concerned about MJK welfare or maybe they were afraid they would get attacked also
Steve

[Robert]

Hi Don

The Times Nov 10th has Bowyer trying the door and even looking through the keyhole. Not inquest testimony, I know...

If McCarthy went into that room under those circumstances, then all I can say is he must have had very strong nerves. Why, he might almost have been - but no, no.

[Salome]

Maybe he'd been through a dry spell!

[Robert]

Maybe I'm not romantic, but I'd have stayed put in Romford. Who wants to get wet?

[Salome]

I agree with you Tom, I reckon George thought he might have had a chance with Mary after the previous punter left but after 45 mins in the cold November air he thought better of it. Although, if he'd really spent all his money going down to Romford, how would he pay her?

[Supe]

Robert,

Interesting observations, all, but if I felt as you I wouldn't have written what I did.

As to a few specifics, I'm sure that Mccarthy wasn't thinking with total ludicity at the moment, but he knew that an immoral earnings conviction would bring him at least two months at hard labor whereas the possibility of being implicated in the murder did not accur to him until after his entrance.

As far as Kelly being out, as I suggested, front and back it was easy to keep tabs on Kelly's exits and entrances and if McCarthy truly expected some money that day he and the family probably kept a close watch. Which makes the stories of sightings that morning more improbable.

Bowyer's testimony was that he only knocked on the door and did not try to open it, Perhaps, when he looked inside, had he not seen anyone, he might have tried to opern it or used a key--but we'll never know,

Finally, having seen what Bowyer saw, my guess is that were McCarthy in the process of being knighted by Queen Victoria he would have interrupted the proceedings and made him follow him back to Kelly's room.

Stephen,

Worthwhile aside, but the world (or most of it) knows it a Stones' song. Besides I've already been taken to rask for mentioning Matins, so I wouldn't have wanted to get too pedantic now would I?

Don.

[Tom_Wescott]

It's hard to imagine walking all that distance, like Hutch claims, and still being in the mood for sweet lovin' down by the fire...a very, very hot fire, at that! But if he thought he had a good shot at a bed at Kelly's pad, that would CERTAINLY be preferable to a group home.

Yours truly,

Tom Wescott

[Fisherman]

Ben writes:
"The fact that he spurned this availability of shelter, despite its close proximity, suggests very strongly that he wasn't actively seeking a roof over his head"

It is a tempting conclusion, Ben, no doubt about it!

The best,
Fisherman

[Tom_Wescott]

Almost true, Tom,
but haven't I read "bloodhounds" somewhere above?

Amitiés,
David

Possibly. The police had previously hired two bloodhounds. But they had been sent home by the time of Kelly's murder. This is a point of fact and not speculation.

Yours truly,

Tom Wescott

[Steve F]

Suspect Behaviour

I really feel in my gut that Huthinsons behaviour was dubious and that the last thing as a motive for it wasLOVE
Also his detailed description of the man with MJK after such a brief look and in dodgy light......?
Well.....?
Stev

[Ben]

Hi Fisherman,

A reasonable suggestion there. An important thing to bear in mind is that the Victoria Home was a cut above the likes of Crossingham's and all the other dodgy dossers in and around Dorset Street. It adhered to a much stricter entrance policy, was much larger, and given that it catered for men only, was never going to be completely full of an evening. His intention could well have been to earn cash en route home, but against this is the fact that he arrived at his destination two hours after its closure. He was unlikely to be admitted to the VH without paying; something that he could have acheived at other doss houses such as Crossingham's - where he admitted to loitering right outside. The fact that he spurned this availability of shelter, despite its close proximity, suggests very strongly that he wasn't actively seeking a roof over his head.

Best regards,
Ben

[DVV]

Almost true, Tom,
but haven't I read "bloodhounds" somewhere above?

Amitiés,
David

[Tom_Wescott]

DMV,

Nobody is speculating that McCarthy was the killer. Merely that he wanted to avoid as much suspicion as possible, which is perfectly understandable.

Yours truly,

Tom Wescott

[DVV]

... good wine, indeed...
As you can guess, I opened it with a chain saw, pretending that I have no corkscrew, so that my wife would never know the drunkard I am...

[DVV]

Salome,
I'm afraid that all these speculations about Mac Carthy are quite beyond me...
Better open a bottle of cahors and see what happen on this thread!

Amitiés,
David