Suspicious about the Ripper Walk I took...

[Suzi]

Nah that guy's -'An Expert Ripperologist' and 'King of the Witches'...bugger forgot that!! Gareth!!!!!!!!!! Have you nothing better to do on a Sunday evening than Google (!!!!) JPdL....You'll go blind in the end- blind at BOTH ends at this rate!!!!

Hugs

Suz 'n Dids

Oh and- Laird of Camster,King of IBOGonia,Ofrika and Ife in Nigeria- Dyslexic genius (Obviously reading that last bit!)---- and the best is yet to come.................possibly related to JTR- via a Jack Russell!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Suzi]

Dear God Coral!!!

That's worth taking a table onto the pavement for- just in case!!!! THE website with the music (!) is quite... well even for me.............beyond description!!!

As to what to do with 'the manuscripts' [!!!!!!!!!!!!!!]...... Gawd a raffle is supposed to raise money....even La T raised £70!!!....Hmmmmmmmm spose if we all wrote a 'dedication' on them- we could raise a few bob- or a laugh anyway!!!

Suz xx

[Glenn Lauritz Andersson]

He is one obnoxious little guy who, being a member of the WS, annoys us once a month.

Last Saturday a group of us met up in the Aldgate Exchange for an informal meeting with a friend from Germany. While smoking 'the evil weed' outside we spotted the aforesaid and we all dashed inside & to hide under a table.

I have to say, I am awed by the fact that he actually has the nerve to show up at the meetings in spite of previous occurences - it can't really have eluded him that he is not the most popular person in the business.

All the best

[coral]

Glen

The guy has a skin of a rhino and no matter what is said to him makes no difference.

My deep apologies to to emlodik - this thread has gone completely off topic.

Coral

[anna]

Hi all,
I know Phil is the Tour Guide we all love...but come on...you'd have to take this guys tour,even just for entertainment value!
Also love the piccie....I need a screensaver,was gonna be my shaggy dog,but having seen the above...it made me laugh so much,I don't think any day would start seriously.

[John Savage]

Hi Philip,

Firstly I must admit that my earlier posts were written from memory without checking any of my books or files. Having gone back through some very old notes I made over ten years ago, let me clarify my sources.

From Stephen Knight, Chapter 9:
"An elderly nun at the Roman Catholic convent in Harewood Place, W.1, only a few minutes walk from Cleveland Street, had an interesting story to tell when the BBC interviewed her in 1973. In 1915 she had beed a novice at Providence Row, directly opposite the pub where Kelly and Chapman had rubbed shoulders daily. She clearly remembered an old nun who had been there at the time of the Ripper murders telling her that "if it had not been for the Kelly woman, none of the murders would have happened"

From JTR A-z [page 228]:
"In 1988, BBC researchers for the Timewatch programme on the Ripper confirmed that the nuns of Providence Row Convent and Night Refuge, have a tradition that she [kelly] stayed briefly with them and was sent out into service from which she absconded to go on the streets. This was supported by the convent's solicitor, whose family had a tradition that they employed a maid servant sent from the convent who absconded and became a ripper victim"

It may be worth adding that the nuns at Harewood Place were from the same order of Sisters of Mercy as those at Providence Row. The Providence Row solicitor in the 1980's would have been the grandson of their solicitor in 1888.

Rgds
John

[Natalie Severn]

Hi Philip,

Firstly I must admit that my earlier posts were written from memory without checking any of my books or files. Having gone back through some very old notes I made over ten years ago, let me clarify my sources.

From Stephen Knight, Chapter 9:
"An elderly nun at the Roman Catholic convent in Harewood Place, W.1, only a few minutes walk from Cleveland Street, had an interesting story to tell when the BBC interviewed her in 1973. In 1915 she had beed a novice at Providence Row, directly opposite the pub where Kelly and Chapman had rubbed shoulders daily. She clearly remembered an old nun who had been there at the time of the Ripper murders telling her that "if it had not been for the Kelly woman, none of the murders would have happened"

From JTR A-z [page 228]:
"In 1988, BBC researchers for the Timewatch programme on the Ripper confirmed that the nuns of Providence Row Convent and Night Refuge, have a tradition that she [kelly] stayed briefly with them and was sent out into service from which she absconded to go on the streets. This was supported by the convent's solicitor, whose family had a tradition that they employed a maid servant sent from the convent who absconded and became a ripper victim"

It may be worth adding that the nuns at Harewood Place were from the same order of Sisters of Mercy as those at Providence Row. The Providence Row solicitor in the 1980's would have been the grandson of their solicitor in 1888.

Rgds
John

Hi John,
This story immediately reminded me that the woman believed to have been first victim of "Jack the Ripper" was Mary aka Polly,her real name being Mary Ann Nichols,and she was in fact given a post in just such a way by a charitable institution anyway - she ran off -and took some laundry with her much to the annoyance of her employers !I think they believed they had been betrayed because they had taken Mary Nichols on as a kind of favour ,and I recall reading an intelligently composed letter from Mary Ann Nichols to her father telling him what a nice house she was living in and how her employers were ok to her etc.
Ofcourse she was the first of the so called "cannon" to be killed so maybe that was what the nuns were thinking of?
Best
Norma

[John Savage]

Hi Norma,

I don't think this is the same story as Polly Nichols worked for a family in south London, and the Providence Row solicitor lived in St. John's Wood, north London.

But a very similar story I must agree.

Rgds
John

[Glenn Lauritz Andersson]

Hi all,
I know Phil is the Tour Guide we all love...but come on...you'd have to take this guys tour,even just for entertainment value!
Also love the piccie....I need a screensaver,was gonna be my shaggy dog,but having seen the above...it made me laugh so much,I don't think any day would start seriously.

I have no doubt I would find his tour both entertaining and frustrating. Sure many of us could probably find entertainment value in it - I can see the funny side of it.
But the problem is the people who takes this man's tour and who have no previous experience of the Ripper, and therefore become totally misled by all the errors and fairytales. And then people like Philip are forced to go in and correct all that nonsense and clean up among the factual garbage being spread by people like him and other tour guides who dont know what they're talking about.

All the best

[emlodik]

But can someone please post some of inaccuracies that freak spews out on his tours?

[Monty]

emlodik,

Its high possible that the murder had already been committed by the time Morris put the door ajar.

Monty

[anna]

Hi Glenn
I have no doubt either that I'd be tempted to correct him,and can appreciate the fact that most find him really annoying..but,
Can you really look at Suzi's brilliant photo without a ripple of mirth breaking through?I know I've been reduced to a fit of giggles every time.
Perhaps it was the promise of "spooky but harmless fun" that attracted me to his trip..but of course,out of loyalty,I would go for the sight of Phil in his shorts every time.
Anna.

[anna]

Hi emlodik,
With all due respect,you are being a little unkind to this chap by referring to him as a freak...if you walk around Camden,he is not a freak he is a "local",so to speak.Believe me,he would not be out of place there.That's why it is such a brilliant place to be.
This guy is a great British eccentric...as annoying as some find him,that is exactly what he is.
I know I would rather have a world full of those,than a world full of the crazy fanatics and terrorists that unfortunately inhabit it with us at the moment.
Just a thought.
Anna.

[emlodik]

Well, I just assumed that's wiat he was from the way everybody was bashing him... But that doesn't really answer my question...

[anna]

Hiya,
Yeah,I can understand where that came from.
Don't worry,I'm sure there will be plenty of replies to your question!
Anna.