Moors Murderer Ian Brady talks about Jack The Ripper

[anna]

Hi Limehouse,
Ian just sounds like he had thoughts on our favourite topic of discussion,and that's all,to me.
Anyway,good points about the photographs,strange that the body couldn't be found.Maybe they'd just taken a some photo's,and they were not taken where they said they were?Can't think of any other reason otherwise why the body wasn't there.Perhaps you know different.
The problem with press sensationalism,is that it tends to plant images in minds,that still remain today,but belong to yesterday.If Ian were to leave prison and return to the Moor,he would face the sort of media circus that surrounded Myra when she did so.The press have always been a hinderance, rather than a help.The next minute they go to the same mother of one of the victims every time,not out of simpathy, but out of the need to sell papers.

[anna]

Hi Philip,
But Des lived with them sitting in chairs in his sitting room,if I'm not mistaken,bit different than under the floorboards!
Maybe you should get together with Adam,and send him a new set of pens!!!

[anna]

P.S.You're giving me more "googleing to do",Philip.....another two names to add to my list...Christy,Gacy and Amelia whatsit(Can't rember the name without going back to the thread!!)..Brilliant.

[Limehouse]

Hi Anna,

I believe they narrowed down to area where the body is believed to be using the line of hills and skyline behind a group of photographs. The trouble is, there were so many photographs. It is believed that the ground conditions may have caused to body to move and of course it is possible there is not much left to find. At one time, the boy's family were searching the moor in the area believed to be relevant. The police won't do any more until they are given a more precise location. It's very sad.

[anna]

Hi Limehouse,
Yes it is very sad.I wish the press would just step right out of this one.
Then perhaps some answers might just be more forthcoming,to help the mum involved.
The only consolation for me, if I were her,would be the thought that the soul
leaves the body at the time of death,and whatever happens to the shell it has resided in over it's time on earth,doesn't matter...it is just that,a body.
She will meet her son again,when the time is right...and this obviously is not when that is supposed to take place.I fully appreciate the families need to find him,I'm just wondering if that would cause them more heartache if that happened,than they realise now.Wishing for an experience,that they would have to endure,is a lot different than actually living it.

[Suzi]

Hi Anna-

For a fascinating,beautifully written,if disturbing account of Des Nilsen,I cannot recommend Brian Masters masterful (!)-'Killing for Company' highly enough. A book that despite your best efforts,stays with you.........

Likewise , 'Happy Like Murderers'- Gordon Burn re the West case is quite sensational (in every sense of the word).

Suzi

[Sox]

''I found the Scotland Yard female profiler pathetic and predictably fashionable. According to a Scotsman article more females are interested in forensic psychology than men nowadays. Jack the Ripper the first serial killer? History is crowded with them - from Caligula to Gilles De Rais, from Judge Jeffries to Henry VIII. A bit of class distinction is prevailing, exempting the ruling class. You should see or read "The Ruling Class" - a satire with an Earl as Jack The Ripper giving his maiden speech in the Lords, on law and order. Peter O Toole starred in the film (1970's)."

All the man does here is display the exact same arrogant attitude that almost got him hung, Brady has always believed himself the most intelligent human being alive, far superior to any policeman.......well he was convicted due to some excellent police work, and the dogged determination of the late Detective Joe Mounsey.

They have narrowed the area where it is believed Keith Bennett still lies buried but have been unable to locate the body. I believe Brady could easily help the police find this boy

Not so. The area was never narrowed down, because Kieth was the only victim who was not buried at a specific location. It is believed that Brady buried the body at the bottom of a trench where gas pipes were due to be laid, hence no pictures of the happy couple at the 'grave'.We should be clear on something here, Brady agreed to go back to the Moors for one reason, and that was to spite Hindley and hamper her bid for freedom, not to help ease the suffering of Winnie Johnson.

Ian Brady has no insight, he does not even know his own mind, let alone that of anyone else and anyone who believes otherwise really is fooling themselves, or, to be more exact, being fooled by Ian Brady.

[Natalie Severn]

Actually I DON'T understand that point of view.Sensationalism belongs in the press.I was hoping it would remain there.
As I have already said, if compared to later crimes and events,the crime that concerned Ian and Myra,is nowhere near as horrific as other latter events.
I have not used surnames either during my posts,another trick used by the press.
I must have read Adam's post wrongly,as I thought I read Ian's thoughts on Jack....don't think I read about "advice".
Whatever!.....

You really MUST be joking? These were young children and their torture and murder destroyed not only their own brief lives but those of their parents,most of whom never recovered from their murders and remain,to this day , broken and scarred by their loss.

[Natalie Severn]

Thankyou Sox,

good thoughts on this pair of grotesquely arrogant ,self indulgent ,self obsessed child-murdering scum.

[Glenn Lauritz Andersson]

[I]All the man does here is display the exact same arrogant attitude that almost got him hung, Brady has always believed himself the most intelligent human being alive, far superior to any policeman.......well he was convicted due to some excellent police work, and the dogged determination of the late Detective Joe Mounsey.

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Ian Brady has no insight, he does not even know his own mind, let alone that of anyone else and anyone who believes otherwise really is fooling themselves, or, to be more exact, being fooled by Ian Brady.

Sox,

Believe me, I don't think anyone here actually are fooled by Brady - or at least I hope not - (besides, not all of what he says makes sense, some is clearly nonsense )and we all know that he is an arrogant scumbag and a total lowlife character, possibly with strong psychopathic traits.

That doesn't distort the fact that he was right on this point, though. And the fact that he makes more sense on this point than ex-Commissioner John Grieve (whom I consider totally incompetent), who was involved in the e-fit business as well as misleading Cornwell, scares me.

We all know what kind of person Brady is and what he's done, so stop lecturing.

All the best

[sdreid]

I for one will be happy when this puke goes toes up. My bowdlerized post was in regard to his "advice" about TV and so on. I was not objecting to the post itself. His sort don't deserve our attention which is what they get off on now that they can't kill. I don't consider my pity for these poor victims' families, as it's portrayed in the press, as sensationalism. Their entire lives have been ruined by this pair.

[Glenn Lauritz Andersson]

I can agree on that he certainly don't deserve the attention as such, Stan, so fair point in that sense.
My dislike for people like John Grieve can easily get me carried away.

All the best

[Limehouse]

Please do not read into my posts any sympathy for or defence of Ian Brady (or Hindley for that matter). As I wrote earlier, I believe him to be arrogant and self-obsessed. You are right Sox, Brady went back to the Moor to spite Hindley, but then Hindley had her own reasons for finally confessing to knowledge of the murders of Pauline Read and Keith Bennett which were not wholly aimed at making their families feel better.

These two were sick individuals who committed the most terrible crimes and consequently deserved to die in prison. Even if they showed remorse, they should still have to die in prison to atone for the lives they took. However, I believe it is also important to try to understand what made them do such terrible things. Hindley probably came nearer to understanding her own motives than Brady ever will.

From his letter, Brady does not seem to be trying to understand serial murderers' inner motives. Rather he seems to be projecting the characteristics outwards and expecting someone else to take the blame.

[Roy Corduroy]

I think Beyond Belief by Emlyn Williams is an outstanding book.

Happy 4th

Roy

[anna]

Hi everyone,
Had my posts been read properly,it has been stated,and was obvious, that I endeavoured to put my own feelings to one side,and view this crime in relation to others that have followed it,serial or other,without emotion,and the heightened feelings that have followed this case,stirred up by the press.
The effect they had on the families,has been discussed through the thread.
I have also stated that I have no opinion on Ian,as his persona was of little consequence to what the object of my posts was about.
The press,because they were comitted in gentler times than today, have been able to continue to keep this story alive,because it paid them to do so.When they thought the image of the "evil couple" had ended,along came Ian Huntley and partner and they sprang into operation again,with the sound of tills dinging in their heads, as they had someone with the same christian name with a partner,to replace the originals.They were wrong on that occassion.
We shall see who will be the next couple to come along.