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Old 05-24-2018, 04:08 PM
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Okay since the capture of the East Area Rapist/Original Night Stalker (EARONS), who was also the VR (Vasalia Ransacker) and was known as the Golden State Killer (GSK) turned out to have been LE for the VR crimes as an officer in Exeter. He was LE also for the East Area Rapes while working as LE for Auburn. All are around Sacramento.

He was fired from LE and then continued to commit his crimes as ONS. He did these along Santa Barbara.

He even changed his MO.

Many doubted EARONS was LE, including myself.

Here are some of the reasons we had...

1) No time to do it all.
2) Can't travel from one end of Sacramento to the other.
3) LE had all checked out.
4) Statistics.
5) Would be easily recognized.

I think some of you might see in these arguments the same ones for why JtR couldn't be LE.

I think that will have to be revised in light of what we know now.

I know some LE have been suspects in the literature. What about contemporary claims at the time? Was a member of LE ever fingered for the crimes?
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Okay since the capture of the East Area Rapist/Original Night Stalker (EARONS), who was also the VR (Vasalia Ransacker) and was known as the Golden State Killer (GSK) turned out to have been LE for the VR crimes as an officer in Exeter. He was LE also for the East Area Rapes while working as LE for Auburn. All are around Sacramento.

He was fired from LE and then continued to commit his crimes as ONS. He did these along Santa Barbara.

He even changed his MO.

Many doubted EARONS was LE, including myself.

Here are some of the reasons we had...

1) No time to do it all.
2) Can't travel from one end of Sacramento to the other.
3) LE had all checked out.
4) Statistics.
5) Would be easily recognized.

I think some of you might see in these arguments the same ones for why JtR couldn't be LE.

I think that will have to be revised in light of what we know now.

I know some LE have been suspects in the literature. What about contemporary claims at the time? Was a member of LE ever fingered for the crimes?
Hi Batman
I don’t think it was ever seriously considered at the time. Nor ever really. I think abberline has been put forward, but then again, who hasn’t? Lol.

The GSK was also never seriously considered to be a cop. And I believe is the first serial killer to be a cop? I think there have been corrupt cops that have killed people for various reasons outside of there LE duties, but I’m not sure if there’s ever been a pure serial killer who was cop during the time like GSK.
Thank god.

Plus keep in mind he didn’t last very long and the worst phase of his crimes came after he was fired from being a police man.
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Old 05-25-2018, 04:19 AM
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I vaguely recall this hypothesis being vigorously rejected at Casebook a few years ago. Something about how the police departments were very meticulous about tracking the activities of their officers.

Some of the Ripper killings, especially Mitre Square, appear to show detailed knowledge of police beats, but Jack could have learned these from a lifetime of living in Whitechapel, or he might even have relied on his victims for their knowledge of police beats.
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I know some LE have been suspects in the literature. What about contemporary claims at the time? Was a member of LE ever fingered for the crimes?

http://www.casebook.org/ripper_media...orley/183.html
Sergeant William Thick was accused of being Jack the Ripper by a member of the public, Mr H.T Haslewood, who wrote to the police on the 10 September 1889 saying that he had very good grounds to believe that, 'The person who committed the Whitechapel murders was a member of the police force', and who's name he would forward. Haslewood admitted that his suspicion was based on very slight evidence, but with the help of the police records could ascertain where this person was on the respective days of the murders. Haslewood wrote to the police again a few days later, this time naming his suspect as Sergeant T. Thicke, misspelling Thick's name. He stated that, 'Thicke should be watched, and his whereabouts ascertained upon other dates where certain woman have met their end'. Written in the margin of the letter was the official police response to the accusation, 'I think it is plainly rubbish, perhaps prompted by spite'.
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I don’t think it was ever seriously considered at the time. Nor ever really. I think abberline has been put forward, but then again, who hasn’t? Lol.
It ses a contemporary theory that the killer might be dressed as a police officer. With the heightened police presence in Whitechapel, newspaper articles speculated that one way for the killer to gain the confidence of new victims and slip through the dragnet would be to disguise himself as a cop.

I can’t recall it ever being suggested that he actually was a cop, though. Edit: I see Joshua Rogan has mentioned Thick, I’d forgotten about him. An interesting case.

Modern discussions of the GSG have made some mention of the fact that many cops carried chalk, because it was used to mark when they went on their beats.

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Hi, Batman, haven't read much from you of late, glad to see you!

Interesting idea, and it would explain why no one ever saw anyone at the scenes of the crimes. If you were an EastEnder, had spotted a copper near a body, would you say so? Point taken...
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The Complete and Essential Jack the Ripper
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Edward Watkins was suspected by an anonymous correspondent from Trowbridge.

George Morris was also suspected as an ex-constable.

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Hi Jerry,

Lest we forget—

14 October 1889. Mr. T.H. Haslewood wrote to Scotland Yard that ‘Sergt. T. Thicke [sic]’ should be watched ‘and his whereabouts ascertained upon other dates when certain women have met their end . . .’

HO. A49301/193.

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Did that book ever emerge in the UK by that guy who claimed that Abberline was the ripper? I think that his name was Abad (possibly Spanish or Argentinian?)

Not that im insane enough to buy it of course
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The first person I suspected to be the Ripper was a policeman, as it was so strange how many of them were out on the streets patrolling like there was no tomorrow, but the Ripper still managed to kill. If the Ripper was a policeman or had any connection to the Police, then they most likely left the job or had been dismissed before the killings began. Someone on the boards a few years back had also suggested that Jack may have been an employee of the Transport or Railway Police and made his escape via railway lines/tracks. I guess this is still up for discussion/debate.

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