St Jude church - map/street plan needed

[HelenaWojtczak]

Hi folks... have wasted most of today trying to find a clear street map/plan showing exactly where St Jude's church was - to no avail.

So in desperation I am asking if anyone has such a thing in their digital collection.

Thanks!

Helena

[yen_powell]

This one?
St Judes Church, Commercial Street E1 [1848-1925]
The church of St Jude, where Canon Samuel Barnett was
vicar from 1873-94, was built in 1845-48 but declared
redundant and demolished in 1925 because the majority
of the local residents were of Jewish origin. The church
was on the east side of the south end of Commercial
Street in front of what is now Toynbee Hall.

[HelenaWojtczak]

This one?
St Judes Church, Commercial Street E1 [1848-1925]
The church of St Jude, where Canon Samuel Barnett was
vicar from 1873-94, was built in 1845-48 but declared
redundant and demolished in 1925 because the majority
of the local residents were of Jewish origin. The church
was on the east side of the south end of Commercial
Street in front of what is now Toynbee Hall.

Yes, that is the one. I am trying to get a good clear street plan.

[Roy Corduroy]

Roy C

[HelenaWojtczak]

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Roy C

Thanks Roy. Who is "Sir George"?

What a pity it does not show Tewkesbury Buildings. I was keen to see the layout of them, and see how close they were to St Jude's. Perhaps someone else will have a map that shows this.

Helena

[Stephen Thomas]

Thanks Roy. Who is "Sir George"?

What a pity it does not show Tewkesbury Buildings. I was keen to see the layout of them, and see how close they were to St Jude's. Perhaps someone else will have a map that shows this.

Helena

Two good questions there, Helena.

Probably not 'Sir George Chapman'.

In the 1898 Booth Survey Tewkesury NEW Buildings are mentioned but there is no clue to their exact whereabouts.

I suppose that Rob Clack could maybe sort this one out.

[HelenaWojtczak]

Probably not 'Sir George Chapman'.

Damnit!

In the 1898 Booth Survey Tewkesury NEW Buildings are mentioned but there is no clue to their exact whereabouts.

I suppose that Rob Clack could maybe sort this one out.

I've seen the big Ripper map, but I would like to see another to check, because that is a newly-drawn one.

Yes they are "new" because they were rebuilt on the same site.

Helena

[Rob Clack]

Here's the May 1890s Goad Map which shows the location of Tewksbury Buildings.



ROB

[HelenaWojtczak]

Here's the May 1890s Goad Map which shows the location of Tewksbury Buildings.

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ROB

ABSO-BLOODY-LUTELY FANTASTIC!

Thank you SO much!

So, it's Sir George's Dwellings for Girls. Some titled benefactor.

The White Hart is also a brewery! Where did they do the brewin'?

Looking at Tewkesbury Blgs, where "my" Mr Chapman lived of course, I wonder what the letters inside the houses mean (like, 3?) D I imagine means dwelling...? Maybe 3 means storeys?

This is an extraordinary map, Rob, I could look at it all day, I'd be totally spellbound.

Where can I see the rest of it - or more - of it?

Helena

[Rob Clack]

Here's the full map Helena,

Your right the 3 means storeys and the D means Dwellings.



Rob

[HelenaWojtczak]

Here's the full map Helena,

Your right the 3 means storeys and the D means Dwellings.

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Rob

Goad must have been a clever man to use notation that are so guessable.

Thanks for that map. Is that the only bit you have? How have Goad maps passed me by for the past two years? As I am writing about Chapman, I am interested in this piece very much - White Hart, George Yard etc.

Annoyingly, I only just finished typesetting the book today and adding a map will mess up everything: I could only include it by removing some other illustrations. Hmmm...

Helena

[Rob Clack]

The Goad maps were usually so detailed (they were used as Fire Insurance Plans) they had to be done on large sheets about 3 feet by 2 feet. And they could only fit two to three blocks on one sheet.

Rob

[HelenaWojtczak]

The Goad maps were usually so detailed (they were used as Fire Insurance Plans) they had to be done on large sheets about 3 feet by 2 feet. And they could only fit two to three blocks on one sheet.

Rob

Hi Rob

Yes indeed, I have read up about them now. I'm still a bit stunned that they have never come onto my radar before (not that I am a cartographical historian but...)

So where did you get that one (I assume you have only one)?

I will have to study it and see if it helps with my text even if I cannot find space to reproduce it.

Helena

[Rob Clack]

Hi Rob

Yes indeed, I have read up about them now. I'm still a bit stunned that they have never come onto my radar before (not that I am a cartographical historian but...)

So where did you get that one (I assume you have only one)?

I will have to study it and see if it helps with my text even if I cannot find space to reproduce it.

Helena

Hi Helena,

I have a few. I mostly got them from places like Tower Hamlets Local History Library, The London Metropolitan Library and The British Library. Not all parts of London are covered and only certain years are available, but the dates range from 1887 up to about 1956.

Rob

[HelenaWojtczak]

Rob I am trying to study George Yard Buildings, but when I zoom in, in Photoshop, so that the map is big enough to read, all the text becomes blurred. I'd like to match up the Goad map with what various authors have written about the Tabram killing etc.

George Chapman's bro-in-law said that they used to live "in Commercial St" and now, seeing that Goad plan, I see that TB opened into a yard that opened into Commercial St, so perhaps he was referring to TB?

Helena