Trump Shooting

[Svensson]

what really irks me is that Europe have basically squandered the last 4 years. Instead, we should have used that time to setup a military cooperative without the US, ready to go. Basically Farage's Euroepan Army is what we need. Let's face it, we will still vastly outspend Russia on our own we have military production capabilities in Airbus, Rheinmetall, MBDA, BAE, Bofors and whatever the French have. There are even 500 nukes if needed. What else is needed? The political will to and acceptance that the US is now inhabiting thier own rabbit-hole. Another thing that might need to be revisited is for countries like Germany, Italy, Spain etc. to re-asses the non-proliferation treaty. The US like to say "we are protecting you with our nukes" but they like to leave our that part that much of Europe was arm-twisted into signing the non-proliferation treaty.

[caz]

I'm not sure if Trump ever claimed to represent a majority, or anyone claiming that a majority followed him.

Glad to hear it, Jon. Maybe I should have worded it differently. Maybe he knows he has a chance if he appeals to all the uneducated knuckle-draggers, but a cat in hell's chance of appealing to anyone with more than ten brain cells, be they male or female.

Trump is dangerous, my concern is more about what damage he can do to Canada, and what damage he can do to Europe by withdrawing from NATO. I see he doesn't like Starmer, so that doesn't bode well for the UK.
You can tell I'm assuming he will win the election......

Trump is dangerous if he wins due to the votes of misguided people.

Trump is dangerous if he loses, because the most misguided and dangerous people out there will claim he did win. And they probably all own firearms.

God bless America?

God help America - and all those who are next in line.

[Lewis C]

At the risk of being called sexist, I would like to think that the women remaining in his fan club over the coming months will be vastly outnumbered by the men.

I agree. Trump has always appealed more to men than to women.

[Wickerman]

I wouldn't disagree with you, Jon, but putting it more simply, if Trump is right to believe that the majority of people in America are uneducated enough to fall for whatever crap he claims to stand for, then he will have the majority eating out of his hand.

I'm not sure if Trump ever claimed to represent a majority, or anyone claiming that a majority followed him.
It's pretty well accepted that anything over 30% is significant enough to be persuasive. Polls have suggested his following was considerably higher in subsequent years.
Trump is dangerous, my concern is more about what damage he can do to Canada, and what damage he can do to Europe by withdrawing from NATO. I see he doesn't like Starmer, so that doesn't bode well for the UK.
You can tell I'm assuming he will win the election......

At the risk of being called sexist, I would like to think that the women remaining in his fan club over the coming months will be vastly outnumbered by the men.

Why any woman will justify the removal of their human rights - the right to choose - just boggles the mind.

Over a century ago southern men fought a war over the right to choose, today, descendants of those same men have removed a woman's right to choose.
And, many women have agreed to it.

[caz]

On the contrary Caz, Trump exclaimed "oh, how I love the uneducated", when he first threw his hat in the ring in 2016.
He's always known he can manipulate the most ignorant members of society, which was recognised by Hilary Clinton as the "deplorables".
She was right, but as is often the case when one speaks the truth it hurts, and she was ridiculed by wokists for it.

One of his problems in his first term was the "deplorables" who supported him had a distinct hatred for Jews, which he tried to redirect towards Muslims, in his attempt to ban them from entering the US.
Trump has Jewish blood in his family that he must defend, which we will see how he handles it this time.

He has already said he will finish the Wall, that he agree's that females should be punished for getting pregnant out of wedlock, that he intends to be the last President, making the US into a dictatorship and apparently, grooming Baron for the job in the future.

Politics isn't boring anymore, but it is getting potentially more dangerous.

I wouldn't disagree with you, Jon, but putting it more simply, if Trump is right to believe that the majority of people in America are uneducated enough to fall for whatever crap he claims to stand for, then he will have the majority eating out of his hand.

At the risk of being called sexist, I would like to think that the women remaining in his fan club over the coming months will be vastly outnumbered by the men.

[Wickerman]

Biden withdrawing from the 2024 presidential race, not stepping down.

American voters react to Biden stepping down

https://youtu.be/Pp_TKf5cDM4


Americans react to Biden's withdrawal

https://youtu.be/ZNlxZdLRMLE


Is the glass half full, or half empty?

[Wickerman]

I suspect Trump is probably smart enough - just - to have worked out by now that he can influence the stupidest people with virtually no effort on his part....

On the contrary Caz, Trump exclaimed "oh, how I love the uneducated", when he first threw his hat in the ring in 2016.
He's always known he can manipulate the most ignorant members of society, which was recognised by Hilary Clinton as the "deplorables".
She was right, but as is often the case when one speaks the truth it hurts, and she was ridiculed by wokists for it.

One of his problems in his first term was the "deplorables" who supported him had a distinct hatred for Jews, which he tried to redirect towards Muslims, in his attempt to ban them from entering the US.
Trump has Jewish blood in his family that he must defend, which we will see how he handles it this time.

He has already said he will finish the Wall, that he agree's that females should be punished for getting pregnant out of wedlock, that he intends to be the last President, making the US into a dictatorship and apparently, grooming Baron for the job in the future.

Politics isn't boring anymore, but it is getting potentially more dangerous.

[rjpalmer]

This is precisely the discussion I had with Celee, a Trump supporter, on this forum about 4 years ago. And now, 4 years later, I am still none the wiser if Trump really is this stupid, or if he assumes that everyone else is stupid (which in turn would suggest that he is stupid).

Many of his supporters may indeed be stupid, but I don't think that explains Trump or Trumpism.

He knows his supporters hate the same things and the same people that he hates, so he knows that he doesn't need to sound either logical or accurate. He can act the part of the buffoon and they will still love him, the same way Mussolini mugged and acting like a buffoon to adoring crowds.

Indeed, saying illogical and nonsensical things is part of the appeal. "I can say stupid $%# and you'll still applaud and there's nothing anyone can do about it." It's an understood contract between he and his supporters.

It's similar to what Jean-Paul Satre wrote about anti-Semitism.

"Never believe that anti-Semites are completely unaware of the absurdity of their replies. They know that their remarks are frivolous, open to challenge. But they are amusing themselves, for it is their adversary who is obliged to use words responsibly, since he believes in words. The anti-Semites have the right to play. They even like to play with discourse for, by giving ridiculous reasons, they discredit the seriousness of their interlocutors. They delight in acting in bad faith, since they seek not to persuade by sound argument but to intimidate and disconcert."

Personally, I think that explains Trump better than mere stupidity. He knows windmills don't cause cancer, and he knows his followers don't care if windmills kill birds.

But he says it all anyway, because he also knows his followers will clap and nod their heads and laugh, because he knows they hate "green energy" because they hate the left and they hate scientists, and they hate the tech industry, and they hate do-gooders.

There is also stupidity, but it is incidental.

[caz]

This is precisely the discussion I had with Celee, a Trump supporter, on this forum about 4 years ago. And now, 4 years later, I am still none the wiser if Trump really is this stupid, or if he assumes that everyone else is stupid (which in turn would suggest that he is stupid).

This is the same thing that he did in 2016. He had his gastroento-something-ist wrote up a letter which sounded like total bollox and was later confirmed by that doctor that he basically pulled it out of his arse....

btw, we have never seen Trump's cognitive test that he apparently "aced". He keep talking about it but he never released it. We all know why. And trumpers also know why but they don't care. The while thing is a clown show.

I suspect Trump is probably smart enough - just - to have worked out by now that he can influence the stupidest people with virtually no effort on his part, but trying the same trick on the smarter ones is a waste of time and way beyond even his own super powers of persuasion.

Love,

Caz
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[Svensson]

Biden stepping down.

Biden withdrawing from the 2024 presidential race, not stepping down.

[Wickerman]

Biden stepping down.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3qmFLaIdqZI

[GBinOz]

This is precisely the discussion I had with Celee, a Trump supporter, on this forum about 4 years ago. And now, 4 years later, I am still none the wiser if Trump really is this stupid, or if he assumes that everyone else is stupid (which in turn would suggest that he is stupid).

This is the same thing that he did in 2016. He had his gastroento-something-ist wrote up a letter which sounded like total bollox and was later confirmed by that doctor that he basically pulled it out of his arse....

btw, we have never seen Trump's cognitive test that he apparently "aced". He keep talking about it but he never released it. We all know why. And trumpers also know why but they don't care. The while thing is a clown show.

Hi Svensson,

Jackson, AKA the Candyman for his propensity to hand out un-prescribed Fentanyl, described Trump as weighing 205 lbs, and claimed that Trump would live to be 200, and was the healthiest president in history. High praise indeed. BTW, clowns all over the world are objecting to your inclusion of Trump among their ranks.

Cheers, George

[Svensson]

I am unable to reconcile this description with the photographs of the "wounds", and it seems to be obvious that he has resorted to a report from a minion rather than the actual physicians that treated his injuries. I wonder, do they think everyone is as stupid as their fearless leader?

This is precisely the discussion I had with Celee, a Trump supporter, on this forum about 4 years ago. And now, 4 years later, I am still none the wiser if Trump really is this stupid, or if he assumes that everyone else is stupid (which in turn would suggest that he is stupid).

This is the same thing that he did in 2016. He had his gastroento-something-ist wrote up a letter which sounded like total bollox and was later confirmed by that doctor that he basically pulled it out of his arse....

btw, we have never seen Trump's cognitive test that he apparently "aced". He keep talking about it but he never released it. We all know why. And trumpers also know why but they don't care. The while thing is a clown show.

[GBinOz]

So Trump has released a "medical" statement from a no longer registered doctor who happens to be a republican Senator.



According to this document, the wound was 2 cm wide and located "less than a quarter of an inch from entering the head". So a hole nearly an inch wide and only a quarter on an inch from his head?

I am unable to reconcile this description with the photographs of the "wounds", and it seems to be obvious that he has resorted to a report from a minion rather than the actual physicians that treated his injuries. I wonder, do they think everyone is as stupid as their fearless leader?

[GBinOz]

For those who are still interested, I would commend these two videos as indicators of what may have actually happened:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tVn_56UcCIc&ab_channel=TheFieldCraftSurviv alChannel

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z7PdhHC2zr0&ab_channel=jeffostroff

There is another technical video that details the ballistics, and the view the shooter would have had through his chosen weapon, which I hesitate to nominate, as I find the ghoulish attempts at humour of these galahs to be reprehensible and in no way indicative of the thought patterns of responsible shooters. WARNING! Anyone who is at all squeamish should not watch the last part of this video where there is a simulation of the effect of the police sniper's shot on Crooks (and the effect on Trump had he been hit in the cartilage between the ear and the skull) ...suffice to just watch the result of a shot that might have clipped Trump's ear and stop there. MODERATORS please decide whether this link should be removed.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FsvJzfXZI18&ab_channel=BrandonHerrera

Having watched the new information in these videos I can only conclude that Crooks was the only shooter and acted alone, as no one would engage this poor shot with a poor choice of weapon to either promulgate a staged event or to actually attempt to assassinate Trump.