Language/Accents

[Ms Diddles]

No bother, Ms Diddles.

Linguistic experts reckon that the part of Britain with the most lasting Viking impact on accent and dialect, is the East Riding of Yorkshire.

I'm guessing that you're from the North Riding/East Riding border. Imagine eh, all of these years you've been minding your own business and giving shelter to your cat in empathetic human/animal co-existence, but it turns out that underneath that gentle exterior lurks a rampaging Viking.

When I was at university, I met a lot of people from around the country, including a few people from Hull and York. Hull has a distinctive accent that is noticeably different from the rest of Yorkshire. But, I know exactly what you're saying in that some people from the York area sound more like Leeds and others from the York area sound more like Hull.

By the way, on Shetland, genetics/DNA studies have uncovered that their dialect is heavily influenced by Norwegian Vikings (as opposed to Danish Vikings in Yorkshire).

Oh! Your detective powers are razor sharp here, FM.

I'm from the East Riding with close ties to the North Riding.

I grew up in the Viking heartland of Stamford Bridge (where lots of the street names are related to the villages historic past; Viking Road, Hardrada Way, Tostig Close, Harolds Way etc).

I'm not sure how deeply buried my Viking heritage is.

Gimme a couple of margaritas and I'm off happily marauding!

[Herlock Sholmes]

Aye, I think the polis went to Sutcliffe's home and reckoned there was something not quite right with him, and from there went back to their superiors suggesting he was worth a good look at. 'Problem was, the senior investigators had gone right down the 'Geordie accent' path. I'm pretty sure that Sutcliffe murdered at least three more women after that interview. Had they looked into him at that point, they could well have unearthed all of those interviews and his history; and in process saved the lives of a few women.

And if those two Constable’s in the patrol car hadn’t turned up when they did who knows how many more he might have killed?

[Fleetwood Mac]

And if those two Constable’s in the patrol car hadn’t turned up when they did who knows how many more he might have killed?

Absolutely right, Herlock.

'Just goes to show how much of life is about chance, circumstance and small details.

And of course, in the event Sutcliffe was in the system many times, from a much wider area than Whitechapel; then what's the prospect of Jack being in the system somewhere and in the reports we have read.

[Dickere]

What about "teeny tiny"?
Why isn't just "tiny" good enough?

And you can't be pretty, really, or very happy anymore. You have to be super happy.

[Abby Normal]

Here's an article on how the far North of England and the far South of Scotland, influenced southern United States dialect and culture.

The people the article refer to are the Border Reivers. These people are erroneously termed 'the Scots Irish' by some Americans.

They were actually the Border Reivers and they inhabited the northern England counties of Durham, Northumberland and Cumbria on the English side, and the border counties of Scotland on the Scottish side. They weren't like other parts of England and Scotland, in the sense that they held tribal loyalties rather than national. Sometimes they would fight one another; sometimes they would join together to fight Scottish armies; sometimes they would join together to fight English armies.

They were transplanted into Northern Ireland as well as directly into the United States because they had a reputation for being tough and could fight off unwanted enemies, e.g. the Indians in the United States. There was nothing Irish about them. As I say, many of them were transplanted directly into the United States and had never set foot in Ireland, and those who were transplanted into Northern Ireland and then moved onto the United States, were culturally not Irish in any sense of the word.

The article talks of studies of southern United States folk music and how that music was derived from the far North of England. It talks of the impact on dialect. It talks of some prominent United States figures during history, such as Lyndon Johnson, Neil Armstrong and Richard Nixon. Their ancestors are traced back to the Border Reivers. The Border Reivers had established clan surnames which meant you could usually deduce whether they were from the far North of England or the far South of Scotland. Neil Armstrong and Lyndon Johnson for example, their ancestors were Border Reivers on the English side. Richard Nixon's ancestors could have been from either the English or Scottish side.

You may find it interesting.

How Northern England Made the Southern United States | History Today

thanks fm
will check it out and your previous one on english accents.

[Fleetwood Mac]

Oh! Your detective powers are razor sharp here, FM.

I'm from the East Riding with close ties to the North Riding.

I grew up in the Viking heartland of Stamford Bridge (where lots of the street names are related to the villages historic past; Viking Road, Hardrada Way, Tostig Close, Harolds Way etc).

I'm not sure how deeply buried my Viking heritage is.

Gimme a couple of margaritas and I'm off happily marauding!

'See, you have these Viking connections down in Yorkshire. Place names ending in 'by' or 'thorpe'. Loads of 'em in Yorkshire but there aren't many up here in Durham and the ones that are, are just over the River Tees into the far south of Durham where the Vikings crept over the water a bit.

But, words were borrowed from other counties from time to time. In Durham, we say 'lop' for flea, which is derived from the Viking word 'loppe'. That was borrowed, or stolen depending upon point of view, from Yorkshire.

And, there are a lot of old sayings that are losing their impetus. When someone was boozed up to the eyeballs my grandma would say: "he's away with the show-folk". I've no idea who the 'show-folk' were.

As for margaritas and marauding, I've no idea what a margarita is but in this part of the country we can offer you a light ale, pie and peas and a side order of pickled eggs!

[Abby Normal]

Oh! Your detective powers are razor sharp here, FM.

I'm from the East Riding with close ties to the North Riding.

I grew up in the Viking heartland of Stamford Bridge (where lots of the street names are related to the villages historic past; Viking Road, Hardrada Way, Tostig Close, Harolds Way etc).

I'm not sure how deeply buried my Viking heritage is.

Gimme a couple of margaritas and I'm off happily marauding!

lol. im of mainly viking ancestry. egersund in norway to be exact. i just went with my family to visit norway this summer. beautiful country and people. thyre so nice and polite, cultured and well trimmed. lol they certainly have come a long way haha.
me, im not so sure.

[Herlock Sholmes]

lol. im of mainly viking ancestry. egersund in norway to be exact. i just went with my family to visit norway this summer. beautiful country and people. thyre so nice and polite, cultured and well trimmed. lol they certainly have come a long way haha.
me, im not so sure.

Does this mean that you might visit England, burn a village and then pillage the local monestary Abby? Perhaps we could meet up for a pint when you’ve finished.

[Abby Normal]

Does this mean that you might visit England, burn a village and then pillage the local monestary Abby? Perhaps we could meet up for a pint when you’ve finished.

been there, done that! lol

seriously though, Ive only been to england once. london, bath, stonehenge and a couple other towns in between. loved it! had pints with the locals wherever we went and everyone was so friendly, and funny. i found all the brits to be incredibly warm, happy, witty and very welcoming. i told my wife...the phrase, Merry old England indeed! love my british brethren!!!

[Herlock Sholmes]

been there, done that! lol

seriously though, Ive only been to england once. london, bath, stonehenge and a couple other towns in between. loved it! had pints with the locals wherever we went and everyone was so friendly, and funny. i found all the brits to be incredibly warm, happy, witty and very welcoming. i told my wife...the phrase, Merry old England indeed! love my british brethren!!!

Glad you enjoyed it Abby.

[Wickerman]

aks instead of ask lol.

Yes, and that one like, bugs the hell out of me, but, like, I looked it's use up once and like, goddamit!, it came from like, England, East Anglia to be pacific
So did "Boss" actually, it's not like, the Americanism that we all like, think it is.
it was like, quite common in the like, 16th century to call each other like, Boss.

[Aethelwulf]

Another pet hate - when did a 'series' e.g TV series become a 'season'. Really annoys me.

[Wickerman]

And you can't be pretty, really, or very happy anymore. You have to be super happy.

Irregardless is another one, my work mate at Westinghouse was always saying that, I tried to tell him it's not a word!

[Abby Normal]

pissed in the states means angry, but it means drunk in england. go figure

[Herlock Sholmes]

pissed in the states means angry, but it means drunk in england. go figure

We use the phrase “pissed off” to mean angry Abby.