JFK a new twist

[richardnunweek]

Hi,
I have just watched a Channel 5 documentary on the assassination of JFK, with allegedly new evidence on the shooting.
I don't know if this has been shown before in the UK , or indeed shown and debated in the states, but it surely is the conspiracy to end conspiracies.
We now have a secret service agent armed with a cocked assault rifle, discharge the weapon in Kennedy's direction as the car he was in suddenly lunged forward.
A complete accident......and because of this, along with the exploding impact of the head , combined with the whiff of gunpowder witnessed by persons from the following cars make this a sure fire case, as gunpowder smells always drift backwards..
So two gunmen folks , not Oswald and someone on the grass knoll , but a trigger happy agent, who was having a bad day.
Regards Richard.

[Wickerman]

Richard.
If you have ever had a gun fired right by your side, I think you would notice it.
So how come those secret service agents sat next to him never heard it?

[pinkmoon]

Hi,
I have just watched a Channel 5 documentary on the assassination of JFK, with allegedly new evidence on the shooting.
I don't know if this has been shown before in the UK , or indeed shown and debated in the states, but it surely is the conspiracy to end conspiracies.
We now have a secret service agent armed with a cocked assault rifle, discharge the weapon in Kennedy's direction as the car he was in suddenly lunged forward.
A complete accident......and because of this, along with the exploding impact of the head , combined with the whiff of gunpowder witnessed by persons from the following cars make this a sure fire case, as gunpowder smells always drift backwards..
So two gunmen folks , not Oswald and someone on the grass knoll , but a trigger happy agent, who was having a bad day.
Regards Richard.

Hi Richard,I watched that myself and I downloaded the book called mortal error which I am half way through.The book was first published in 1992 and George hickey the secret service man who it looks like shot Kennedy sued and won he died a couple of years ago so this story has appeared again.I personally never believed in an organised plot to kill jfk and from what I've seen and read about this accidental death theory seems to tick all the boxes and fill in all the gaps.The science of the ballistics in this theory certainly stand up and I personally think this would explain people lying and covering up certain things.

[pinkmoon]

Richard.
If you have ever had a gun fired right by your side, I think you would notice it.
So how come those secret service agents sat next to him never heard it?

I think loyalty to fellow agent might make people keep quiet and lie also think how stupid and incompetent the secret service would look over this.

[richardnunweek]

Hi.
If indeed it was a freakish accident, I can well understand how it might be hushed up, however lets be realistic, we must not forget that a certain Lee Harvey Oswald was Kennedy's assassin, and anything else ie, a tragic accident was a act of god.
Regards Richard.

[pinkmoon]

Hi.
If indeed it was a freakish accident, I can well understand how it might be hushed up, however lets be realistic, we must not forget that a certain Lee Harvey Oswald was Kennedy's assassin, and anything else ie, a tragic accident was a act of god.
Regards Richard.

Oswald was a loon sorry a loon who was able to easily purchase a lethal firearm the blame for Kennedy's death lays at Oswald feet but what if our loon wasn't able to get his hands on a lethal firearm? .

[sdreid]

CBS is doing a program about the assassination in about 20 minutes.

[Wickerman]

I understand Oswald payed $13 for this bolt-action weapon. Not the most ideal weapon for an attempted assassination. In the same magazine there were repeat-action and automatic weapons much more suitable, but maybe $16-25 was beyond his finances.

[Tom_Wescott]

I understand Oswald payed $13 for this bolt-action weapon. Not the most ideal weapon for an attempted assassination. In the same magazine there were repeat-action and automatic weapons much more suitable, but maybe $16-25 was beyond his finances.

I believe it was just over $20 after shipping. It was a 23 year old Italian gun with bad sights. Oswald was only a year older than the gun.

A couple of facts I found interesting is that Oswald was in custody for over two hours before they thought to search his person. Also interesting is that killing a president was not a capital crime in 1963. It was local, like any other murder.

Mortal Error is a good book but I don't think it's the answer. The witnesses close to the book depository heard the gunshots come from the 6th floor. The shots echoed around the square which is why people thought they heard shots come from the grassy knoll area.

I have yet to be to London but I have been to Dealey Plaza! There's an 'x' in the road on the spot where Kennedy was shot.

I must say I'm impressed with how Jackie made it through that day, the plane ride back with Johnson, and maintained her composure. If you look at the longshot version of the photo where she's standing next to Johnson as he's being sworn in (by a female judge, no less...who knew they had those then) she has pieces of brain on her clothes.

Yours truly,

Tom Wescott

[Wickerman]

I've read so many books on this assassination that today I don't bother with it any more. Anyone really interested should use the Warren Commission Report if they need to know the 'facts'.
On the other hand, it is known that the Secret Service refused to let the official autopsy surgeon in Dallas do his duty - this was a major mistake.
They flew the body to Bethesda Medical Centre and ordered two military doctors not trained as physicians or autopsy surgeons to conduct the autopsy. Numerous mistakes were made by these two military doctors - they were out of their depth.

NOVA just recently offered a TV special on this very controversial subject.

[Tom_Wescott]

Most books on the assassination are so convoluted as to be almost impossible to read, particularly the ones that back a Cuban theory. The conspiracy theory books are on the whole severely flawed in fundamental ways. But then again, so is the Warren report. However, there's a new book out by the last surviving member of the Warren Commission (one of the people who actually did the research), which I purchased and look forward to reading.

It might genuinely be as simple as Oswald did it alone. I go back and forth on the matter a lot.

Yours truly,

Tom Wescott

[Barnaby]

It might genuinely be as simple as Oswald did it alone.

This is what one is almost forced to conclude given the preponderance of the evidence. People don't want to believe that the course of history can be changed by a loser who made a lucky shot.

The only thing that gives me any pause is Jack Ruby's murder of Oswald. What the hell was he thinking if the purpose was not to silence Oswald? I don't believe in a massive conspiracy theory, but perhaps some organization had some contact with Oswald - then seeing what he did rather independently - didn't want that contact made public.

[Tom_Wescott]

You're right. What got the conspiracy ideas off the ground was Ruby's murder of Oswald. Had Oswald lived and confessed there'd be no conspiracy theories. But that wasn't allowed to happen. However, Ruby's movements from the time of the assassination to the murder of Oswald are well known and there's nothing to suggest conspiracy. In fact, Ruby was in the same room as Oswald following Oswald's arrest. It was the day before he murdered him. He had his gun on him but had no interest in killing him. It was probably a case of Ruby being caught up in the moment, surrounded by soooo many cameras. He genuinely liked Kennedy and his family and in that moment realized he could be a 'hero'. It didn't occur to him that what he was about to do would screw up the world. He was only thinking of himself.

Yours truly,

Tom Wescott

[Wickerman]

However, Ruby's movements from the time of the assassination to the murder of Oswald are well known and there's nothing to suggest conspiracy. In fact, Ruby was in the same room as Oswald following Oswald's arrest.

Yes, but he was arrested for the murder of JD Tippet.

[Tom_Wescott]

Yes, but he was arrested for the murder of JD Tippet.

He was a suspect for the Kennedy murder at the same time. He was arrested for both crimes but not charged for many hours. Ruby already knew he was Kennedy's murderer.

Yours truly,

Tom Wescott