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    I have to admit that I'm kind of a "law and order" guy. If there is evidence of a crime comitted by an individual, that individual should be charged. If the evidence convinces a jury beyond resonable doubt that that the individual charged was responsible for the crime, that individual should be going down.

    We are living in a time where this view is not universely considered uncontroversial. This morning, I woke up to the sound of Republicans crying that this is all unfair and outrageous. The charges and its evidence have not yet been made public, but their validity has already been trashed on Fox and affiliated networks. There have been politicians stating that, without having examined any of the evidence and without any self-awareness, the indictment is "political". That alone broke my irony-meter so I'll have to go to the shop later and get myself a new one.

    So they are literally advocating for a carve-out for Rebupubican politicians. Hey, there is evidence that busness records have been falsified. A lawyer has already gone to prison for this. The DA is now suggesting to a grand jury that the co-conspirator should be charged with the same crime and presented evidece to the fact that 1. DJT is the co-conspirator and 2. His actions as a co-conspirator were criminal. The grand jury agreed with the DA. But some Republicans like McCarthy, Scalise, Jordan,Cruz and Graham insist on an exception for Republican politicians.

    No one should be above the law. No one. Fullstop. If you don't prosecute powerful people simply because they are powerful, then you are a banana-republic.

    I'm condering flying to NYC on Tuesday so I can stand in front of the court house to shout "Lock Him Up!"
    Last edited by Svensson; 03-31-2023, 08:50 AM.

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    You can shout it, but i dont think it wont happen. Its more likely he will beat the rap, but the Democrates will have got what they wanted. A mug shot , the President being arrested , finger printed and possible in handcuffs

    This will then prove more valuable to them when all the fun and games start when/if Trump runs for President in2024 .
    'It doesn't matter how beautiful your theory is. It doesn't matter how smart you are . If it doesn't agree with experiment, its wrong'' . Richard Feynman

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    • #3
      Originally posted by FISHY1118 View Post
      You can shout it, but i dont think it wont happen. Its more likely he will beat the rap, but the Democrates will have got what they wanted. A mug shot , the President being arrested , finger printed and possible in handcuffs

      This will then prove more valuable to them when all the fun and games start when/if Trump runs for President in2024 .
      Yeah, I'm with Svensson in that I believe criminal behaviour should not go unpunished regardless of who is responsible.

      I agree with you though Fishy that this may back-fire.

      I don't know about the Democrats desire for that mug shot, but I believe Trump himself has requested that he be handcuffed for his "perp walk" and has stated that he doesn't care if someone shoots him (presumably provided the shot isn't fatal!!).

      It looks to me like he is preparing to play the martyr and his fanbase are lapping it up.

      if he doesn't go down, I fear this may actually improve his popularity and boost his ratings.

      Strange times!


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      • #4
        Originally posted by Ms Diddles View Post

        Yeah, I'm with Svensson in that I believe criminal behaviour should not go unpunished regardless of who is responsible.

        I agree with you though Fishy that this may back-fire.

        I don't know about the Democrats desire for that mug shot, but I believe Trump himself has requested that he be handcuffed for his "perp walk" and has stated that he doesn't care if someone shoots him (presumably provided the shot isn't fatal!!).

        It looks to me like he is preparing to play the martyr and his fanbase are lapping it up.

        if he doesn't go down, I fear this may actually improve his popularity and boost his ratings.

        Strange times!

        Indeed , I think we're on the right track as far as how it will play out .

        American elections are probably the best reality t.v going around.

        Make no mistake the dems will use this as a political tool every chance they get.
        Last edited by FISHY1118; 03-31-2023, 10:58 AM.
        'It doesn't matter how beautiful your theory is. It doesn't matter how smart you are . If it doesn't agree with experiment, its wrong'' . Richard Feynman

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        • #5
          Originally posted by FISHY1118 View Post

          Indeed , I think we're on the right track as far as how it will play out .

          American elections are probably the best reality t.v going around.

          Make no mistake the dems will use this as a political tool every chance they get.
          I think both sides are going to try and exploit this to their respective advantages.

          Pull up a chair, pour yourself a beer and watch the show!

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          • #6
            'It doesn't matter how beautiful your theory is. It doesn't matter how smart you are . If it doesn't agree with experiment, its wrong'' . Richard Feynman

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            • #7
              Banana republic stuff.

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              • #8
                Yep, the show is going to be incredible. Buckle up everyone. This will help Trump with the MAGA crowd but no one else. He has 25% of the country and they will follow him off a cliff, into a cell or into the grave. It's an Orange Oyster Death Cult. For the other 75% of the country, it's just damage imitation time. Literally.

                In a way I agree that this falsifying business records (even if it is in order to cover up a federal election crime) in itself is pretty weak. I simply assume that most businesses have doctored records of some kind but this does not mean that when someone is caught he/she should be let off. But all the Hoo-ha we are seeing here is nothing compared to what will happen once the charges for Conspiracy to Defraud the United States and Racketeering come out of Georgia. Or when Jack Smith concludes his January 6 and "Obstruction to retrieve classified federal property from Mar-a-Lago" (my description) case.

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                • #9
                  Hillary Clinton has been taken to Mount Sinai hospital in New York and remains in intensive care after a prolonged laughing fit left her clinging to life.

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                  • #10
                    I hope Trump ends up in prison. I doubt he will but as others have said nobody should be above the law.

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                    • #11
                      I'm not convinced the legal system has the guts to go through with it. I've already heard one Democrat, some months ago, say we can't have a President going to prison no matter who it is.
                      If they decide against it the rest of the world will see what type of country the US really is.
                      Regards, Jon S.

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                      • #12
                        Joe Manchin?

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Svensson View Post
                          Joe Manchin?
                          Kyrsten Sinema ;-)

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                          • #14
                            TFG (the former guy, i.e. Trump) has been indicted, and is expected to surrender on Tuesday, April 4th. The exact charges will be known then, but I haveread they may cover 30 business laws, which seems a lot for a single hush-money payment to a paid escort/porn actress (apparently from his campaign funds).
                            Not that I understand this stuff.

                            Today I read that new evidence may indicate that Trump checked through some of the boxes of classified documents *after* he was requested by subpoena to return the boxed documents relating to his Presidency to the National Archives. This suggests he went through them to still save items he wanted to keep berore returning some document boxes. Others he stashed in Florida, and these had to be seized by the FBI later. At this point, the investigation is trying to ascertain *why* he removed certain top secret documents.

                            There are two other legal investigations, too. Should be fun to watch!
                            Pat D. https://forum.casebook.org/core/imag...rt/reading.gif
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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Svensson View Post
                              It's an Orange Oyster Death Cult.


                              Lol. Never heard that one before!

                              I saw the band Blue Oyster Cult a couple of times in London around 1984/5.​
                              These are not clues, Fred.
                              It is not yarn leading us to the dark heart of this place.
                              They are half-glimpsed imaginings, tangle of shadows.
                              And you and I floundering at them in the ever vainer hope that we might corral them into meaning when we will not.
                              We will not.

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