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Originally posted by Archaic
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Hi Ally.
I'm afraid you are completely wrong in your supposition.
I began to think about giving up on Casebook quite close to the beginning of the thread, when I read the posts collectively blaming all Muslims for the actions of a few, insisting that Muslims cannot and do not even wish to live in peace, and calling for their complete expulsion from all Western nations. Subsequent posts teetered on calling for their outright extermination.
I was appalled to witness so many Casebookers directing their anger not at the terrorists who murdered the British soldier or set off the bombs in Boston, but at ALL Muslims. Almost 25% of the people living in the world are Muslim. Nearly 1 in 4.
- Are 1.6 BILLION human beings actually all alike? Really? Are they ALL to be judged guilty for the actions of a few?
Adolph Hitler was a big fan of the concept of 'Collective Guilt'. Remember the hideous propaganda film "The Eternal Jew", where Jewish human beings are directly equated with rats and other loathsome vermin? That was a brilliant propaganda tactic, it helped turn off the consciences of millions of Nazis and desensitized them to the atrocities they were committing. The Jewish victims were no longer human men, women, and children- they were VERMIN, who "had" to be exterminated to "save" the race and the reich.
Those who fail to learn from History are doomed to repeat it. Extremist hate speech doesn't belong on Casebook. It doesn't belong for a myriad of reasons; a very minor one being that it's a total waste of server space.
The Casebookers I exchanged pm's and emails with very early in this thread can vouch for the fact that I told them I was utterly horrified by the hatred that was being spewed upon all Muslims. In fact, I wrote and thanked a couple of individuals who had the courage to speak up early in this thread and calmly voice their objections to that hate speech. They also tried to calm down the tone of the thread, which I think was the right thing to do, and I thanked them for that too. This occurred before the subjects of Christianity and Judaism and everything else got thrown into the meleé.
I stayed out of the thread in the beginning both because I was so horrified by it and because in the beginning it revolved around around the domestic situation in the UK. As an American I didn't feel sufficiently knowledgeable about UK internal politics. But my friends can attest to the fact that I told them early on that one of the aspects of this thread upsetting me the most was that people I have long considered to be friends - including those who profess to be Christian - were among those spewing hatred against all Muslims, and spewing vitriol at all those who disagreed with them. That shocked me.
This thread has been like some kind of warped abusefest, with individuals attacking one another's personal spiritual beliefs and doing their utmost to put each other down. I remarked to a handful of Casebook friends that some thread participants seemed to feel they were scoring imaginary "points" against each other. I told my friends I felt ashamed of the deliberate meanness. They agreed it was disgusting, but counseled me to try not to take it so much to heart. But what must this thread look like to non-members, to potential Casebook members, to the public looking on? I guarantee you, if this thread has been available for reading 6 years ago I would never have joined Casebook.
I stayed out of the thread for over 350 posts, until I read a post claiming that Jesus Christ "had advocated stoning women to death". That's when I replied. I did not in any way attack the person who made that post - who by the way I consider a FRIEND. I simply thought I could clear up a misunderstanding, and offered the lines where Christ save the life of the adulteress by saying to the angry mob, "Let he who is without sin among you cast the first stone". (My post is there for anybody to read. I think it's #354.)
Ironically, Ally, I made my second post just to agree with your post where you offered the lines, "Judge not, lest ye be judged", even though the person you were arguing with is a Christian and a personal friend of mine.
In that first post I felt th etime had come that I ought to speak up. I just felt at that point that if people really want to attack others simply because they despise their personal beliefs, OK, I'm not going to duck and hide like I'm ashamed or something- here I am, this is my personal belief, and you can attack me if you want to.
Interestingly, Ally, you seem to be the only person who has wanted to.
You're welcome to exercise your right to freedom of speech, but in this case you based your attack upon a mistaken supposition.
I realize you may not believe me; that's alright; I accept that. I don't think it would be appropriate for me to give you a list of the names of all the people I spoke to regarding my revulsion for all of the hate speech displayed on this thread, because they have a right to privacy. But if any of them feel like telling you via pm or something that's OK with me.
But I certainly don't want anybody to feel obligated to do so- after all, mistaken suppositions seem to make the world go 'round.
Peace everybody,
Archaic
I'm afraid you are completely wrong in your supposition.
I began to think about giving up on Casebook quite close to the beginning of the thread, when I read the posts collectively blaming all Muslims for the actions of a few, insisting that Muslims cannot and do not even wish to live in peace, and calling for their complete expulsion from all Western nations. Subsequent posts teetered on calling for their outright extermination.
I was appalled to witness so many Casebookers directing their anger not at the terrorists who murdered the British soldier or set off the bombs in Boston, but at ALL Muslims. Almost 25% of the people living in the world are Muslim. Nearly 1 in 4.
- Are 1.6 BILLION human beings actually all alike? Really? Are they ALL to be judged guilty for the actions of a few?
Adolph Hitler was a big fan of the concept of 'Collective Guilt'. Remember the hideous propaganda film "The Eternal Jew", where Jewish human beings are directly equated with rats and other loathsome vermin? That was a brilliant propaganda tactic, it helped turn off the consciences of millions of Nazis and desensitized them to the atrocities they were committing. The Jewish victims were no longer human men, women, and children- they were VERMIN, who "had" to be exterminated to "save" the race and the reich.
Those who fail to learn from History are doomed to repeat it. Extremist hate speech doesn't belong on Casebook. It doesn't belong for a myriad of reasons; a very minor one being that it's a total waste of server space.
The Casebookers I exchanged pm's and emails with very early in this thread can vouch for the fact that I told them I was utterly horrified by the hatred that was being spewed upon all Muslims. In fact, I wrote and thanked a couple of individuals who had the courage to speak up early in this thread and calmly voice their objections to that hate speech. They also tried to calm down the tone of the thread, which I think was the right thing to do, and I thanked them for that too. This occurred before the subjects of Christianity and Judaism and everything else got thrown into the meleé.
I stayed out of the thread in the beginning both because I was so horrified by it and because in the beginning it revolved around around the domestic situation in the UK. As an American I didn't feel sufficiently knowledgeable about UK internal politics. But my friends can attest to the fact that I told them early on that one of the aspects of this thread upsetting me the most was that people I have long considered to be friends - including those who profess to be Christian - were among those spewing hatred against all Muslims, and spewing vitriol at all those who disagreed with them. That shocked me.
This thread has been like some kind of warped abusefest, with individuals attacking one another's personal spiritual beliefs and doing their utmost to put each other down. I remarked to a handful of Casebook friends that some thread participants seemed to feel they were scoring imaginary "points" against each other. I told my friends I felt ashamed of the deliberate meanness. They agreed it was disgusting, but counseled me to try not to take it so much to heart. But what must this thread look like to non-members, to potential Casebook members, to the public looking on? I guarantee you, if this thread has been available for reading 6 years ago I would never have joined Casebook.
I stayed out of the thread for over 350 posts, until I read a post claiming that Jesus Christ "had advocated stoning women to death". That's when I replied. I did not in any way attack the person who made that post - who by the way I consider a FRIEND. I simply thought I could clear up a misunderstanding, and offered the lines where Christ save the life of the adulteress by saying to the angry mob, "Let he who is without sin among you cast the first stone". (My post is there for anybody to read. I think it's #354.)
Ironically, Ally, I made my second post just to agree with your post where you offered the lines, "Judge not, lest ye be judged", even though the person you were arguing with is a Christian and a personal friend of mine.
In that first post I felt th etime had come that I ought to speak up. I just felt at that point that if people really want to attack others simply because they despise their personal beliefs, OK, I'm not going to duck and hide like I'm ashamed or something- here I am, this is my personal belief, and you can attack me if you want to.
Interestingly, Ally, you seem to be the only person who has wanted to.
You're welcome to exercise your right to freedom of speech, but in this case you based your attack upon a mistaken supposition.
I realize you may not believe me; that's alright; I accept that. I don't think it would be appropriate for me to give you a list of the names of all the people I spoke to regarding my revulsion for all of the hate speech displayed on this thread, because they have a right to privacy. But if any of them feel like telling you via pm or something that's OK with me.
But I certainly don't want anybody to feel obligated to do so- after all, mistaken suppositions seem to make the world go 'round.
Peace everybody,
Archaic
Cmon yoo Spuuuurs
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