Riiight

[Svensson]

Ally insulting people does not make you right. So many people when discussing politics feel the insult strengthens their argument but insults undermine any point you are trying to make. Your post is full of inaccurate comments. First, shutting down the Keystone oil pipeline has led to a gas shortage. Shutting down the pipelines and ending fracking limiting America's ability to find new energy sources have led to America's energy source.

Again, there was no plot to overthrow the government. The Oath keepers denounced President Trump two years ago. Their videos were all over the web after they were accused of the plot against the Michigan Governor. Regardless Rightwing anarchist groups are not typical Trump supporters. Democrats like to lump all Trump supporters into one group that is wrong.

Biden's approval rating, 33% is all over the news. It is the lowest in U.S, History. If you do not choose to believe the poll that is fine. President Trump is bad.

The riots over the summer may not have been part of an insurrection. However federal buildings were burned down but certainly, they were more deadly and destructive than the January 6th riot. My point is the large protest over the summer of 2020 was attended by mostly peaceful people with good intentions. However, anarchist extreme groups and other bad actors turned those peaceful protests into violent destructive riots. A million people showed up in Washington on January 6th to support Donald Trump the vast majority were peaceful people. However, just like the BLM riots, extreme groups incited a riot.

You do not know anything about Trump's plan in Afghanistan. That is okay because neither do I and nobody else on the casebook does either. President Trump said he would have never had pulled troops out before everyone was evacuated first. We will never know how things would have turned out had Trump been in charge. It does not really matter Biden is President and his exit strategy was a disaster period.

The story of Russia shooting American soldiers was debunked. It never happened. It turned out President Trump was right not to believe our intelligence agencies. Your right President Trump should not have said it publicly.

Do not tell me you still believe the piss tape narrative.? That whole story has been proven false. The Steele document the Clinton campaign paid for to smear the former President was full of Russian misinformation a fact that CNN does not deny. Democrats refuse to give up false narratives even when faced with indisputable evidence. against their narrative.

Just my opinion but the handling of the pandemic has been a disaster. Since when does it make sense not to treat people who get sick. My sister got covid and the Doctor sent her home without treating her. She turned out to be fine. However, the suppression of therapeutics and possible treatments of covid in order to encourage vaccination has cost lives. A Biden administration policy.

quick question, celee. Why do you never provide sources for your claims?

[Ally]

Ally insulting people does not make you right. So many people when discussing politics feel the insult strengthens their argument but insults undermine any point you are trying to make.

Oh, no. I don't feel insults strengthen my argument, I just don't believe Trump supporters deserve any amount of respect, and so I give them none.

Your post is full of inaccurate comments.

Nope. Dumbass.

First, shutting down the Keystone oil pipeline has led to a gas shortage.

Sigh. No it hasn't. Because it can't cause a gas shortage when it hasn't been BUILT yet. It wasn't shut down. It was never built. There is no shortage. There were short term supply issues due to the same kind of supply backlog that EVERY supply chain is experiencing in a pandemic compounded by a hack situation, but there is no actual shortage. YOUR post is full of inaccurate bullshit. Dumbass.

Shutting down the pipelines and ending fracking limiting America's ability to find new energy sources have led to America's energy source.

Once again, no pipelines were shut down and no fracking has been ended. The fact that Biden isn't allowing energy companies to destroy federal parks to maybe find new frack sites isn't the same thing as ending fracking you dimwit. I'd rather have national parks and find alternate sources of energy. It's not like Fracking and oil are the only options. Dumbass.

Again, there was no plot to overthrow the government. The Oath keepers denounced President Trump two years ago. Their videos were all over the web after they were accused of the plot against the Michigan Governor. Regardless Rightwing anarchist groups are not typical Trump supporters. Democrats like to lump all Trump supporters into one group that is wrong.

Yes there was. Oathkeeper tweeted Trump's words on the day of the riot, as support of the action. Dumbass.

Biden's approval rating, 33% is all over the news. It is the lowest in U.S, History. If you do not choose to believe the poll that is fine. President Trump is bad.

One single poll has him at 33%. An aggregate of polls has him at 42%. If I polled my neighborhood, his approval rating would be at 10 percent. DO you understand how percentages and math work? A single poll doesn't mean ****. You take the aggregate. Dumbass.

And if in a month he's down to 33% in the aggregate, which he may well be, then I will accept he has the lowest percent in history. But a single, isolated poll doesn't tell you the numbers.

However, anarchist extreme groups and other bad actors turned those peaceful protests into violent destructive riots.

That were all Trump supporters and were all egged on and encouraged by inflammatory rhetoric by the Cheeto Nazi himself. Dumbass.

A million people showed up in Washington on January 6th to support Donald Trump the vast majority were peaceful people. However, just like the BLM riots, extreme groups incited a riot.

You just can't stop making up numbers can you? There wasn't a TENTH of that amount of people supporting Donald Trump's rally that day. No where near. Do you even think about the words that come out of your mouth before you say them? Or are you really so brainwashed you think any thing you say sounds good. Dumbass.

The story of Russia shooting American soldiers was debunked. It never happened. It turned out President Trump was right not to believe our intelligence agencies. Your right President Trump should not have said it publicly.

No it wasn't. Not proven is not debunked. Dumbass.

Do not tell me you still believe the piss tape narrative.?

No, I don't that's why I put it in quotes, Dumbass. It's an example of how he's easy to blackmail and lead, because he's corrupt and compromised.

Just my opinion but the handling of the pandemic has been a disaster.

It has. And it started with Trump and if he hadn't mismanaged it from the getgo, maybe it wouldn't have spiraled so far out of control before Biden ever even got a foot in the door.

[celee]

Ally insulting people does not make you right. So many people when discussing politics feel the insult strengthens their argument but insults undermine any point you are trying to make. Your post is full of inaccurate comments. First, shutting down the Keystone oil pipeline has led to a gas shortage. Shutting down the pipelines and ending fracking limiting America's ability to find new energy sources have led to America's energy source.

Again, there was no plot to overthrow the government. The Oath keepers denounced President Trump two years ago. Their videos were all over the web after they were accused of the plot against the Michigan Governor. Regardless Rightwing anarchist groups are not typical Trump supporters. Democrats like to lump all Trump supporters into one group that is wrong.

Biden's approval rating, 33% is all over the news. It is the lowest in U.S, History. If you do not choose to believe the poll that is fine. President Trump is bad.

The riots over the summer may not have been part of an insurrection. However federal buildings were burned down but certainly, they were more deadly and destructive than the January 6th riot. My point is the large protest over the summer of 2020 was attended by mostly peaceful people with good intentions. However, anarchist extreme groups and other bad actors turned those peaceful protests into violent destructive riots. A million people showed up in Washington on January 6th to support Donald Trump the vast majority were peaceful people. However, just like the BLM riots, extreme groups incited a riot.

You do not know anything about Trump's plan in Afghanistan. That is okay because neither do I and nobody else on the casebook does either. President Trump said he would have never had pulled troops out before everyone was evacuated first. We will never know how things would have turned out had Trump been in charge. It does not really matter Biden is President and his exit strategy was a disaster period.

The story of Russia shooting American soldiers was debunked. It never happened. It turned out President Trump was right not to believe our intelligence agencies. Your right President Trump should not have said it publicly.

Do not tell me you still believe the piss tape narrative.? That whole story has been proven false. The Steele document the Clinton campaign paid for to smear the former President was full of Russian misinformation a fact that CNN does not deny. Democrats refuse to give up false narratives even when faced with indisputable evidence. against their narrative.

Just my opinion but the handling of the pandemic has been a disaster. Since when does it make sense not to treat people who get sick. My sister got covid and the Doctor sent her home without treating her. She turned out to be fine. However, the suppression of therapeutics and possible treatments of covid in order to encourage vaccination has cost lives. A Biden administration policy.

[mpriestnall]

Pretty much. I mean we do have a few other parties, and people like me who are non-affiliated with any, but for the most part, the only two parties that have any traction, funding or hope of getting elected are the two parties. There are occasional independents who win small victories, but this is rare. The money isn't there.

Thanks Ally. I despair at the state of democracy and the political system here in the UK. The US doesn't seem much better.

[Ally]

Pardon my ignorance, but is there only two parties in the US like in the UK?

Pretty much. I mean we do have a few other parties, and people like me who are non-affiliated with any, but for the most part, the only two parties that have any traction, funding or hope of getting elected are the two parties. There are occasional independents who win small victories, but this is rare. The money isn't there.

[mpriestnall]

Pardon my ignorance, but is there only two parties in the US like in the UK?

[Ally]

Before I get into your latest batch of utter nonsense, I just want to point out that you haven't addressed any points given just continue to stomp your feet with with your fingers in your ears, and go NO NO NO like a toddler having a tantrum. Like most Trump supporters. Tedious.

President Trump is not responsible for the highest inflation numbers in 40 years.

Not solely, no. But his completely idiotic and moronic response to the first year of the pandemic didn't help. He has a huge part in causing the economic **** show that we are currently experiencing and his hands off policy directly contributed to a million people being too dead to be in the workforce. Not to mention all the people who will be suffering from long-term effects of Covid.

He is not responsible for low job numbers.

No that's a direct response of Republican policies and trickle-down economics which allow billionaires to exploit workers to a ridiculous degree. Workers are finally tired of being paid below living wages while politicians (republican AND democratic) sit on their ass and do **** all to help maintain an equitable economic balance. But the bulk of the issue again stems back to idiotic Republican policies like "corporations count as people" and allowing Corporations and billionaires to pay less of their share than the working man does. So yeah, he is.

He is not responsible for the energy crisis. Democrat policies are. President Biden shut down the pipelines, ended fracking, brought back all the regulations that President Trump ended. America was energy independent and an exporter of energy.

Fracking has nothing to do with "the energy crisis" which is a blanket umbrella term you're clearly using but clearly don't understand. Biden hasn't "ended fracking". Biden didn't "shut down the pipelines". Fracking is still happening. The pipelines are still working. Just fine. One pipeline, isn't being built. All the others, that we've always had, still flowing.

We definitely have a crisis at our Southern border. Border crossings are up 400% Maybe the 33% of Americans who approve of the Biden administration feel the border crisis is manufactured nonsense and anyone who opposes open border is a racist.

Do you think if you just make up numbers and statistics it makes your argument sound smarter? It doesn't. Border crossings aren't up 400%. For example illegals flying in and and the Canadian border crossings are down to **** all zero %. But we aren't really concerned about those border crossings are we? Huh, wonder why?

Okay, fair enough. I can not debate an opinion. Democrats always claim the Republicans mess up the economy. However, that argument does not hold up in this instance because Republicans can point out horrible Democrat policy decisions that have led directly to the economic collapse.

And yet, they don't. Why is that. For example, what led to the housing crisis? What policies? Let's examine. What's leading to the current labor shortage? It ain't government handouts. Because those are over, and there's still a labor shortage. You have been force fed a diet of BLAME THE DEMOCRATS FOR EVERYTHING. Like any single source diet, it's malnourished your brain, and its withered.

I do not think it has ever been clearer. That is why both the Vice President and President have such low approval ratings. Record low.

Actually, No. Trump's approval ratings were in the high 30's. Biden's: low 40s. So again, factually inaccurate. But if you clap your hands and really believe, you can drown out the fact of you own blinkered bias.

Republicans are not against vaccines.

And if vaccines had existed in the earliest days of the pandemic maybe that would matter for **** all but they were against every other measure to stop or slow the spread of this disease and fought every other measure that could have kept this from becoming the shitshow that is. So congratulations, Republican obstinance and politiicizing basic common sense, helped fuel the spread of this pandemic and murdered millions. Brilliant tactical decisions by your leaders. And who are the states begging for the "SAVE US DRUGS" the most? Oh right, all the piss poor Trumpian ones.

Joe Biden has been an embarrassment on the world stage. At the very least no world leader respects the President. Why do you think China and Russia are being so aggressive?

LOL, because they don't have a "piss tape" to blackmail him with. They didn't respect Trump, they knew they could outmanouver him all the livelong day. Because he's a moron who could be stroked, blackmailed and flattered into thinking he was one of the big boys and playing at the big kids table. He was a stooge and they knew it. The Russians LITERALLY put out a bounty to have Americans ASSASSINATED and Trump was like, No, they didn't, I believe Russia not our own American intelligence agency. Yeah Russia "respected" Trump. You are delusional.

Russia never would be threatening Ukraine if Trump was still President and China would not be threatening Taiwan.

LOL, yeah he would. Because Trump didn't do anything when Russia was shooting at our own soldiers, he's not going to care two shits about them shooting at others.

The President should not have pulled the troops out until everyone who needed to be evacuated was brought home. Blaming George Bush for Biden's disaster exit plan is like leaving the ice cream on the table and blaming the person who bought the ice cream for the mess.

Nope, again. Trump passed a resolution that said all troops would be removed by X day. What was his plan to withdrawal troops? Was the withdrawal a shitshow? Yep. But then too, it was always going to be, because A) we shouldn't have been there in the first place, B) Trump said we are out by X date, and C) Trump left no plan to actually carry it off when D-day came. Just like he left no functioning government when he withdrew, unlike every other sitting president before him

Remember when he dismantled the Pandemic Response team in 2018? Good clear thinking there.

There was no plot to overthrow the government. There probably was a plan by some extreme groups to cause a riot. I feel it was a protest, with a massive crowd, that got out of hand like so many protests over the summer of 2020.

LOL, yeah all those BLM protests that stormed the Capitol and went hunting for our elected leaders, and talked about dragging them out and shooting them in the streets. Uh huh. The Oath Keepers were a far right radical group of fvckheads who were quoting Donald Trump on the day of the Riot. They didn't denounce Trump until he, in true backstabby puppy fashion threw them under the bus, which any idiot would have known he was going to do. And they marched at the BLM protests to "protect property" darling, not to show support for the protestors. IT is your stock and trade to twist facts to suit narrative but the facts remain. They were Right Wing Trump supporters, until Trump bussed them. They tweeted his words on the day of the attack. They looked to him for direction. And they followed it.

[celee]

President Trump is not responsible for the highest inflation numbers in 40 years. He is not responsible for low job numbers. He is not responsible for the energy crisis. Democrat policies are. President Biden shut down the pipelines, ended fracking, brought back all the regulations that President Trump ended. America was energy independent and an exporter of energy. We definitely have a crisis at our Southern border. Border crossings are up 400% Maybe the 33% of Americans who approve of the Biden administration feel the border crisis is manufactured nonsense and anyone who opposes open border is a racist. Okay, fair enough. I can not debate an opinion. Democrats always claim the Republicans mess up the economy. However, that argument does not hold up in this instance because Republicans can point out horrible Democrat policy decisions that have led directly to the economic collapse. I do not think it has ever been clearer. That is why both the Vice President and President have such low approval ratings. Record low.

Honestly, I believe that Trump hysteria fuels the interest in Trump. Trump haters are their own worst enemy. Trump is all CNN talks about and their ratings have declined by 90% I do not think people love Trump but they are tired of Trump-bashing and story after story turning out to be false.

Republicans are not against vaccines. The Biden administration claims 70% of Americans have at least taken one shot. I am sure some Republicans have been vaccinated and I am sure some Democrats are among the unvaccinated. It is not the official position of the Republican party to not be vaccinated. As a matter of fact, President Trump has been one of the biggest cheerleaders for the vaccines.

Joe Biden has been an embarrassment on the world stage. At the very least no world leader respects the President. Why do you think China and Russia are being so aggressive? Russia never would be threatening Ukraine if Trump was still President and China would not be threatening Taiwan. It is true that a Republican President got us into Afghanistan but President Biden's exit plan was a disgrace. It seems like simple logic. The President should not have pulled the troops out until everyone who needed to be evacuated was brought home. Blaming George Bush for Biden's disaster exit plan is like leaving the ice cream on the table and blaming the person who bought the ice cream for the mess.

There was no plot to overthrow the government. There probably was a plan by some extreme groups to cause a riot. I feel it was a protest, with a massive crowd, that got out of hand like so many protests over the summer of 2020.

[FISHY1118]

Sxensson The Oath Keepers have made several videos denouncing Donald Trump and have marched at BLM rallies. I believe they were the anarchist group involved in the plot to kidnap the Governor of Michigan. 12 of the 24 conspirators were either FBI agents or informants. LOL, I really do not care. If the Qath Keepers were involved in a plot to overthrow the government then they all should go to jail. Nobody is claiming that right-wing and left-wing anarchist groups were not leading the riot. However, they are not Trump supporters. Those extreme groups are anti-government. President Trump authorized 20,000 National Guard troops two days before the January 6th event. Nancy Pelosi and the Mayor of Washington turned the troops down. President Trump had nothing to do with any insurrection. like I have posted several times all liberals have is Trump-bashing and fake anti-Trump narratives. I live in the now. Nothing will come from any insurrection investigation. Just like all the other false narratives over the past five years, the insurrection investigation will fall apart too and Trump haters will forget all about it. Joe Biden now has a 33% approval rating Democrat policies are failing. The vast majority of Americans are rejecting progressive ideas. The Democrat establishment wants to keep the focus on insurrection and away from their failing policies. Trump is no longer President. I am no longer concerned with him. He is not a boogie man or Jack the Ripper. He poses no threat to America. He has not even announced he is running in 2024 and some people are obsessed with him. He probably will not even run for President again. Not one Democrat that has engaged me about politics wishes to discuss the current administration and Democrat policies. the discussion is always the same. Orange man bad.

I have to agree with the last sentence , democrats never ever discuss Biden and his failed policies, this was evident leading right up to the week of the election , there was so much stuff the msm just refused to talk about or report on about Biden and his family . Alll they wanted to do was rubbish trump.

[celee]

Sxensson The Oath Keepers have made several videos denouncing Donald Trump and have marched at BLM rallies. I believe they were the anarchist group involved in the plot to kidnap the Governor of Michigan. 12 of the 24 conspirators were either FBI agents or informants. LOL, I really do not care. If the Qath Keepers were involved in a plot to overthrow the government then they all should go to jail. Nobody is claiming that right-wing and left-wing anarchist groups were not leading the riot. However, they are not Trump supporters. Those extreme groups are anti-government. President Trump authorized 20,000 National Guard troops two days before the January 6th event. Nancy Pelosi and the Mayor of Washington turned the troops down. President Trump had nothing to do with any insurrection. like I have posted several times all liberals have is Trump-bashing and fake anti-Trump narratives. I live in the now. Nothing will come from any insurrection investigation. Just like all the other false narratives over the past five years, the insurrection investigation will fall apart too and Trump haters will forget all about it. Joe Biden now has a 33% approval rating Democrat policies are failing. The vast majority of Americans are rejecting progressive ideas. The Democrat establishment wants to keep the focus on insurrection and away from their failing policies. Trump is no longer President. I am no longer concerned with him. He is not a boogie man or Jack the Ripper. He poses no threat to America. He has not even announced he is running in 2024 and some people are obsessed with him. He probably will not even run for President again. Not one Democrat that has engaged me about politics wishes to discuss the current administration and Democrat policies. the discussion is always the same. Orange man bad.

[Svensson]

Ok, so Oath Keepers have been charged with seditious conspiracy. How big is that conspiracy? Well, we have one of Donald Trump's goons right in the middle

https://www.businessinsider.nl/6-oath-keepers-extremists-who-guarded-roger-stone-before-the-capitol-riot-joined-the-siege-ny-times-report/

[Ally]

"The FBI concluded there was no organized attempt to overthrow the government on January 6th."

"No, they didn't"

Ah good one. I missed that amongst all that gishgallopping...

celee, where did you get that one from? Do you have a source? It doesn't pass the most basic snifftest.

Cheers.

My guess is he's going to point to a news article by Reuters, where four anonymous sources from "former" and current FBI officials say that the FBI concluded there was no organized attempt.

But that's far different than the FBI actually making such a conclusion, and of course, in my opinion, FBI officials would leak "news" that considering it was a breach of national security that the FBI completely and totally fell on their face in preventing. Everybody knew it was coming, the FBI completely pissed themselves that day.

Let's not forget, if those had been black men storming the Capitol, they'd have been shot before they ever hit the steps. The difference in how a Black Lives Matter Rally is treated in the Capitol versus a Racist White Trump rally is staggering. Because they were white rioters and looters, they were allowed to breach the defenses without a single cop firing a damn bullet til they were literally breaking down the door of the assembly room. And Trump sat on his bloated, incompetent ass and did nothing. Because that's what he's best at.

[Svensson]

And right on cue:

https://edition.cnn.com/2022/01/13/politics/oathkeeper-rhodes-arrested-doj/index.html

"Seditious conspiracy charges"

[Svensson]

"The FBI concluded there was no organized attempt to overthrow the government on January 6th."

"No, they didn't"

Ah good one. I missed that amongst all that gishgallopping...

celee, where did you get that one from? Do you have a source? It doesn't pass the most basic snifftest.

Cheers.

[Varqm]

You say that, then you go on a twenty paragraph rant immediately proving the opposite. Anyone notice how these people can't refrain from being dishonest and non-hypocritical for two whole minutes? They can't maintain internal, logical consistency within the space of a single post, yet they get a vote. Baffling. And why democracy is doomed. Dimwits get a vote too.




LOL, every time there's a republican president the economy crashes and then the Democrat coming in gets blamed for the resulting mess. It's your playbook. This nightmare is a direct result of the preceding Republican presidents idiotic handling of several world crisis. Just like Obama had to clean up Bush's housing crisis catastrophe and so on. Also, the problems we are currently facing are a direct result of destabilizing that went on in the Reagan administration. So, horseshit, entirely.





There is no border crisis. This is manufactured hysteria to scare people who are racist dimwits into panic. People have been coming here illegally since the Mayflower, darling. Ain't no new thing. Someone needs to pick your food supply. God knows rednecks aren't doing their fair share of the work anymore. Sitting on their asses collecting their government checks while complaining about welfare and socialism.



I would love to hear how you justify these as being Democrats to blame, ESPECIALLY the Covid crisis but you know, I'm assuming it's insanity, so why bother.

You mean that disaster of a war that a Republican president got us into because he wanted to prove his balls were bigger than his former president daddy's balls? That one?



I agree. Largely due to ****wits trying to destroy democracy and tear it down like Trump and his followers who LITERALLY attempted to overthrow the Capitol. But yeah, sit there and PRETEND you give two shits about democracy while supporting a moronic oligarch who attempted to bring it all down.



LOL, such lies. Trump didn't even win the popular vote, even when he won the presidency. I bet that chaps his ass.




Right but the lying rapist, he's got moral character, despite not following through with a single promise he made during his campaign. That border crisis you're banging on about it being the Democrats fault. Wasn't Mexico going to pay for a wall to be built? Where is that again?




You like them secured by Russia? And china? Which your Republicans sold us and our safety out to, time and time again, in massive cash grabs?




No, they didn't.





Yeah like where Texas tried to sue Pennsylvania because they don't like how Pennsylvania does their elections? So much for believing in State's Rights. Apparently Republicans only believe in States Rights, when it goes their way. But that's interesting don't you think? How many people who sued who don't have standing to sue. Why not have someone who does have standing sue if there's so much evidence? Huh? I mean, if the evidence is THERE, why aren't qualified people suing?

Gee..... let's not think too hard about that one. Just bakes your already poached brain.




No they weren't changed illegally. I've been voting by mail for ten years, never been a problem til all of a sudden Republicans realize they're losing. And now, we want to start limiting people's right to vote. Funny how that works. Why exactly do you think we should be making it DIFFICULT to vote in this country? Why do you think there should be all these barriers? Funny how the only PROVEN cases of fraud have been Republicans filling out ballots for Trump. Funny how what you guys keep accusing the OTHER side of doing, is what y'all keep getting caught doing over, and over. Me thinks you girls are protesting too much.





Truthfully, he's done **** all yet. But what he hasn't done is humiliate us over and over again on the World Stage like Trump did for four years, we aren't a total laughingstock anymore and that's a win. That's all I'm aiming for anymore, not to be totally embarassed by the dumbass holding the highest office in the land.




Americans love freedom but they also used to recognize that with Freedom came personal responsibility and a sense of greater community. Which is now lost. Now it's all about YOUR rights, not your responsibilities, and THAT is why America is lost. You people banging on about how the Democrats are the great evil don't even understand what America was actually built on, and what it actually means. You are slaves to a blinkered mentality. You have no clue what freedom is, you haven't been free in years.

Good points.