Riiight

[Al Bundy's Eyes]

The things I described with socialized medicine are happening in every country that has government-run health care. We getting a little taste of what it could be like now. Doctors being threatened with losing their licenses and not being allowed to prescribe certain possible treatments and vaccine mandates.

Peace out.

As a UK resident, I can honestly state that literally none of what you described applies to "socialised medicine".

[celee]

"LOL... they have lost the ability to coexist, they aren't thiterally refusing to believe they lost and manufacturing all kinds of fantasy scenarios of persecution and turning the Cheeto Nazi into some worshipped cult figure"e ones who are l

Democrats went on for five years claiming President Trump was an illegitimate President and stole the election.

You commented Democrats do not tolerate corrupt politicians and then you make excuses for Democrat corrupt politicians. You are amusing.

"Who cares if he slept with 200 Chinese spies, it's not a breach of national security"

Are you joking? I think you are just trying to keep me amused. It is working. If President Trump has Russian vodka Democrats cry for impeachment. Talk about easy to blackmail. C'mon the guy was sleeping with a Chinese spy.

Biden "He's done nothing to be disavowed for. He hasn't betrayed the country or basic decency"

The same things you hate about President Trump and claim that everyone else should too are the same things Biden has been accused of. Biden has been accused of sexual assault. Biden has made several racist comments. Biden has lied to the American public. plagiarized other political figures and his family has business ties to Russia, China, and Ukraine.

Hillary hasn't done ****, that requires disavowment, except have shitty taste in husbands

You down Former President Trump for wishing Maxwell luck but it is okay for the Clinton's to have a close friendship with her. The Clinton foundation was very corrupt. Just ask the people of Hati and of course there is the whole destroying cell phones and emails that had been court-ordered to be turned over. Sounds a little bit like obstruction of justice.

"Yes, the comment is, No she didn't"

Yes she did and her son has some shady business deals.

"say that, and yet you can't see that is exactly what's happened with the bullshit capitalist regime we're currently living under where people can't afford to pay rent because billionaires refuse to pay them a living wage, and Fox News blames migrants for minimum wage workers problems instead of the fact that literally, BILLIONAIRES refuse to pay them enough to survive"

You obviously do not read my post. I posted that socialism in theory is the best system in my opinion. However, Capitalism is the economic system that gives the people the most freedom.

"Yeah and you can engage in whataboutisms all the live long day. They aren't the ones rioting and attempting to overthrow Democracy because they are fascists who just can't accept with good grace that they lost"

The hypocrisy is hysterical and the fact you seem to be totally unaware of it is priceless comedy. Democrats did not exactly lose with grace in 2016.

Other than being entertaining this discussion is going nowhere. So, let us just stop.


The things I described with socialized medicine are happening in every country that has government-run health care. We getting a little taste of what it could be like now. Doctors being threatened with losing their licenses and not being allowed to prescribe certain possible treatments and vaccine mandates.

Peace out.

[Ally]

So much for having no interest in further discussion, huh?

Ally have you disavowed Biden?

He's done nothing to be disavowed for. He hasn't betrayed the country, or basic decency.

How about Bill and Hillary.

Bill Clinton is a manwhore and he used his power as a president of the united states to get easy ass in the White house. I consider him a pretty **** husband and I am also not unaware of how he betrayed the power dynamics of his office because he's a walking dick. And I disavowed him, for those actions. Hillary hasn't done ****, that requires disavowment, except have shitty taste in husbands.

What about the Democrat Eric Michael Swalwell who slept with the Chinese spy?

Who cares if he slept with 200 chinese spies, it's not a breach of national security unless he didn't keep his lips zipped with his actual zipper. He wasn't the only one who had ties to that spy, and when she was outed, he cut ties with her and fully cooperated with the investigation, so hardly the actions of a guilty man. ******* isn't crime.

Nancy Pelosi just got caught for insider trading any comment?

Yes, the comment is, No she didn't.

The list of Democrat scrubs is long.

Yeah and you can engage in whataboutisms all the live long day. They aren't the ones rioting and attempting to overthrow Democracy because they are fascists who just can't accept with good grace that they lost.

You do not even know what Trump supporters advocate for. I guess you feel all Trump supporters are racist. That is crazy.

You're right. Only 90 percent of them are racist and idiots. The rest are just pure idiots.

It has become the party of hate and division. The Democrats have become a bunch of hateful snobs who have lost the ability to coexist with anyone who disagrees with their worldview. I will never vote Democrat again.

LOL... they have lost the ability to coexist, they aren't the ones who are literally refusing to believe they lost and manufacturing all kinds of fantasy scenarios of persecution and turning the Cheeto Nazi into some worshipped cult figure.

In theory, I like socialism. Unfortunately, economic systems are ruined by human frailties. People govern economic systems and their short cummings destroy them. Power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely.

It's ironic that you say that, and yet you can't see that is exactly what's happened with the bullshit capitalist regime we're currently living under where people can't afford to pay rent because billionaries refuse to pay them a living wage, and Fox News blames migrants for minimum wage workers problems instead of the fact that literally BILLIONAIRES refuse to pay them enough to survive.

We can discuss socialized medicine and how horrible it would be. In theory, it is great every human being deserves health care. However, when the government gets involved and starts telling people they can't take this medication and they have to take this shot.

Right. But it's totally fine when it's an INSURANCE company telling you that you can't take this medication and you have to have that one. Then it's just ducky. Because a corporation has your best interest at heart.

When the government decides a person is too old to receive a lifesaving procedure and assistant suicide becomes a viable health care option.

As opposed to when an insurance company decides a person is too old to receive a lifesaving procedure and they just let you die instead which is the current viable health care option?

When death panels are formed and human life becomes devalued then socialized medicine, government-controlled health care becomes a problem.

Yeah y'all keep saying that crap, but it's happening in NONE of the countries where socialized medicine exists. You know where old people and young people are dying every day because they can't afford their medicine? Why right here in the United States of America. Such a better system. Dying at 40 because you can't afford insulin. FREEDOM!!!!

[FISHY1118]

Democrat politicians absolutely condoned the violence during the summer of love. Nancy Pelosi said she was surprised more people did not take to the streets. Kamala Harris encouraged people to contribute to a bail fund for the rioters. One of the rioters Harris helped bailout was recently arrested for murder. Ally have you disavowed Biden? How about Bill and Hillary. What about the Democrat Eric Michael Swalwell who slept with the Chinese spy? Nancy Pelosi just got caught for insider trading any comment? The list of Democrat scrubs is long. What about Adam Shift who forged text messages?

You do not even know what Trump supporters advocate for. I guess you feel all Trump supporters are racist. That is crazy.

The fact that I posted the 2020 protest was mostly peaceful people shows I gave the BLM riots the same consideration.

Just so you know. I have never voted for a Republican candidate. I have always identified as a Democrat. I would have voted for Trump in 2020 but I was under the weather. I find the hypocrisy of the Democrat party and the snobbery of the vocal base, the "progressives" repugnant. The Democrat party has changed. It is not the party of inclusion and fairness anymore It has become the party of hate and division. The Democrats have become a bunch of hateful snobs who have lost the ability to coexist with anyone who disagrees with their worldview. I will never vote Democrat again. It really is sad to read some of the comments.

I will answer your question Sxensson but I am not going to get into a long discussion on economic systems. In theory, I like socialism. Unfortunately, economic systems are ruined by human frailties. People govern economic systems and their short cummings destroy them. Power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely. This is not my first time discussing economic systems with you, socialism, and communism. Democrats like AOC and Bernie Sanders call themselves Democrat socialists and the founders of BLM are self-professed Marxists. Every time a government gets too involved and takes too much control of a person's life there is a risk of tyranny because as Ally has pointed out politicians are corrupt. Look what is happening in Australia and South Africa. Look at the lockdown policies in Democrat states and Biden's vaccine mandates. I do not feel any policy is particularly socialist or communist until people start abusing their power. We can discuss socialized medicine and how horrible it would be. In theory it is great every human being deserves health care. However, when the government gets involved and starts telling people they can't take this medication and they have to take this shot. A person is too old to receive a lifesaving procedure and assistant suicide becomes a viable option. When death panels are formed and human life becomes devalued then socialized medicine becomes a problem. Nazi Germany is the best example of how things can go off the rails with socialized medicine. So your question is complicated. Why don't you tell me why you love the American party and what policies of theirs are good for the American people?.

[celee]

Democrat politicians absolutely condoned the violence during the summer of love. Nancy Pelosi said she was surprised more people did not take to the streets. Kamala Harris encouraged people to contribute to a bail fund for the rioters. One of the rioters Harris helped bailout was recently arrested for murder. Ally have you disavowed Biden? How about Bill and Hillary. What about the Democrat Eric Michael Swalwell who slept with the Chinese spy? Nancy Pelosi just got caught for insider trading any comment? The list of Democrat scrubs is long. What about Adam Shift who forged text messages? Democrats very seldom call out their bad politicians. Pelosi is still the speaker. Shift is still on the January 6th committee. Swalwell still sits on the intel committee. Hillary Clinton is becoming the 2024 front runner in the Democrat party. So, Democrats do not police themselves.

You do not even know what Trump supporters advocate for. I guess you feel all Trump supporters are racist. That is crazy.

The fact that I posted the 2020 protest was mostly peaceful people shows I gave the BLM riots the same consideration.

Just so you know. I have never voted for a Republican candidate. I have always identified as a Democrat. I would have voted for Trump in 2020 but I was under the weather. I find the hypocrisy of the Democrat party and the snobbery of the vocal base, the "progressives" repugnant. The Democrat party has changed. It is not the party of inclusion and fairness anymore It has become the party of hate and division. The Democrats have become a bunch of hateful snobs who have lost the ability to coexist with anyone who disagrees with their worldview. I will never vote Democrat again. It really is sad to read some of the comments.

I will answer your question Svensson but I am not going to get into a long discussion on economic systems. In theory, I like socialism. Unfortunately, economic systems are ruined by human frailties. People govern economic systems and their short cummings destroy them. Power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely. This is not my first time discussing economic systems with you, socialism, and communism. Democrats like AOC and Bernie Sanders call themselves Democrat socialists and the founders of BLM are self-professed Marxists. Every time a government gets too involved and takes too much control of a person's life there is a risk of tyranny because as Ally has pointed out politicians are corrupt. Look what is happening in Australia and South Africa. Look at the lockdown policies in Democrat states and Biden's vaccine mandates. I do not feel any policy is particularly socialist or communist until people start abusing their power. We can discuss socialized medicine and how horrible it would be. In theory, it is great every human being deserves health care. However, when the government gets involved and starts telling people they can't take this medication and they have to take this shot. When the government decides a person is too old to receive a lifesaving procedure and assistant suicide becomes a viable health care option. When death panels are formed and human life becomes devalued then socialized medicine, government-controlled health care becomes a problem. Nazi Germany is the best example of how things can go off the rails with socialized medicine. So, your question is complicated. Why don't you tell me why you love the American Democrat party and what policies of theirs are good for the American people?

[Svensson]

[QUOTE=celee;n778381]I am done corresponding on this topic./QUOTE]

Hey celee, before you go, do you think you can show which democrat policies are socialist or communis that fit the definition?

Cheers.

[Ally]

I am done corresponding on this topic. It really is sad. Ally you claim I continue to spread false information and to support your argument for not "respecting" Trump supporters you continue to post the Charlottesville lie. President Trump did not call white supremacists "GOOD PEOPLE." As a matter of fact, he denounced white supremacy the day after the event. The President said there were fine people on both sides that were caught in the middle of the violence.

What absolute horseshit. He was asked about neo-nazis starting the riot and he responded there were very fine people on both sides.

Some news outlets that I am sure you would consider fake news have claimed a million people showed up for the protest.
I know that CNN claims the number was a couple of hundred. So, let's just agree that there were a hell of a lot of Trump supporters in Washington and the vast majority of them did not attack the capitol building.

Sure, I assume you give the exact same leeway to the BLM protestors as in there's a hell of a lot of them and the vast majority did not riot, etc? Right? Oh wait, that leeway never does seem to be given to the other side. Despite of course there being one distinction... the leaders of BLM didn't tweet encouragement and incite riots, Politicians who support BLM didn't tweet support of insurrection or violence. Unlike you know, Jan 6 and Trump.

Democrats like to believe that the vast vast majority of Americans believe in their policies and those who disagree are a small group.

It is irrelevant whether people believe in their policies or not. You can believe whatever morally repugnant thing you wish to believe. The fact that there are millions of you doesn't make you right. There are always millions of Nazis. That doesn't mean you bow to them, that doesn't mean you placate them, that doesn't mean you try to pretend they are in anyway in the RIGHT. What Trump's supporters advocate is vile. And it doesn't matter if you number in the billions, you are still WRONG and I will oppose you til the end of time.

Democrat politicians fall well short of the high moral standard their base expects from Republicans. I would like to see non-corrupt decent people run for office and remain a gold standard for virtue but it never happens.

No, but the difference is, when their politicians fall short, they disavow their politicians. They hold their own accountable, when it's warranted. The Republicans should try it.

[Ally]

I know a lot of supporters of the former guy, many of them are my relatives.
Just realize that in many parts of rural 'Merica, you can't get anything other than Fox News on the idiot box.

LOL, I grew up with half my family wearing camo and the other half wearing the confederate flag. My male cousins all hunted on the weekends and my female cousins competed in beauty pageants or ran the redneck circuit. I embody the south and I own more guns than most Republicans own books. I am fully aware of the people of whom you speak and had Christmas dinner with them just a month ago.

They are that whacked.

Oh yeah. 100 percent.

It's party politics. My dear old dead grandfather, a good man, would have voted for Beelzebub if he ran as a member of the GOP.

But don't forget, they're the party of "family values"!

A few of them were even pre-trained by watching televangelists. Personally, I never saw much difference between DJT and a phony minister, preaching the prosperity gospel while asking for a handout. They are both cut from the same cloth.

It absolutely chaps my ass how they wrap themselves in the flag while holding a Bible aloft while both the founders and Jesus himself would disavow 98% of what they do.

[celee]

I am done corresponding on this topic. It really is sad. Ally you claim I continue to spread false information and to support your argument for not "respecting" Trump supporters you continue to post the Charlottesville lie. President Trump did not call white supremacists "GOOD PEOPLE." As a matter of fact, he denounced white supremacy the day after the event. The President said there were fine people on both sides that were caught in the middle of the violence. The fine people the President was referring to were the folks who came to support the removal of the Robert E Lee statue and those people who came to oppose the statue's removal. Those fine people got caught between the two extreme groups Antifa and the white identitarians. It is obvious what the President was saying unless you have an extreme bias against the President or of course you feel anyone who disagrees with the removal of a statue is a white supremist.

Some news outlets that I am sure you would consider fake news have claimed a million people showed up for the protest. I know that CNN claims the number was a couple of hundred. So, let's just agree that there were a hell of a lot of Trump supporters in Washington and the vast majority of them did not attack the capitol building. Democrats like to believe that the vast vast majority of Americans believe in their policies and those who disagree are a small group. However, 71 million people voted for President Trump. He received 12 million more votes than the first time.71 million votes are the most gained by any presidential candidate in history, other than Biden. Biden won the election but a lot of people do not feel the way you do and claiming they are all idiots and people who voted for Trump do not deserve your respect is not productive. Biden's popularity is tanking. CNN ratings are the lowest they have ever been. The Democrat establishment is losing in the court of public opinion and alienating half the country is not helping anything. Biden promised to unify America he has further divided our country instead.

Donald Trump may have wished Maxwell luck but he threw Epstein out of his club. Like I have posted before most politicians and powerful businessmen are bad people. Joe Biden is a bad person. He has been accused of sexual assault. He has made racist comments. Hillary Clinton is a bad person. Bill Clinton is bad. Maxwell came to Clinton's daughter's wedding. Nancy Pelosi just got caught insider trading along with 54 other congressmen. Oh, Hunter's laptop was not Russian misinformation. Honestly, who do you support for President? No Presidential Candidate past or future could stand up to the kind of scrutiny President Trump and his family have. Seriously, blaming Trump supporters for supporting a bad person when the choices were Clinton, Biden, and Trump is laughable. I can't wait until I see the kind of saint the Democrats nominate in 2024.

Democrat politicians fall well short of the high moral standard their base expects from Republicans. I would like to see non-corrupt decent people run for office and remain a gold standard for virtue but it never happens.

Why did the Oath Keepers come to the event? Probably to cause chaos. Maybe they came to overthrow the government? Who knows? Maybe we will find out someday. Why did Antifa come to the event? They were there. Anti-government anarchists come to protest. BLM groups were there too.

[rjpalmer]

Supporting Trump, means you are degenerate morally. It has nothing to do with politics. It has to do with character. And brains. Or rather, the lack of both.

I know a lot of supporters of the former guy, many of them are my relatives.

Just realize that in many parts of rural 'Merica, you can't get anything other than Fox News on the idiot box. For years, Rush Limbaugh and Rupert Murdoch Inc. successfully brainwashed them into thinking the Democratic Party was composed entirely of satanists and communists. To them, there is no difference between Liz Warren, who is basically just a concerned den mother trying to cut health care costs, and a bloodthirsty member of the Red Army who is slashing the throats of landowners in the Chinese jungle and enslaving people in death camps.

They are that whacked.

Thus, given their strange and delusional world view, they were even willing to support an obvious grifter from Queens, New York---the same guy they all hated years earlier and who they wouldn't have given the time of day to had he rolled into their small prairie town and made demands. They hate arrogant people, they hate greedy bastards, they hate perverts, they even hate golf--but somehow supported this blowhard! Even now--and even though I kind of, sort of can explain it--it is still a head scratcher. How can anyone have that big of a disconnect??

It's party politics. My dear old dead grandfather, a good man, would have voted for Beelzebub if he ran as a member of the GOP.

A few of them were even pre-trained by watching televangelists. Personally, I never saw much difference between DJT and a phony minister, preaching the prosperity gospel while asking for a handout. They are both cut from the same cloth.

[Svensson]

I wouldn't just label them fake news, I would provide data and information to debunk your statements and THEN call them fake news.

The other thing is: if you don't provide sources, then you suppoet our suspicion that you are just making things up, which is not a basis for fruitful discussion.

For example, your claim that the Oath Keepers had "denounced Donald Trump". You don't say when and why. For example, did they say he is not racist enough for them? I just don't know and you won't tell me.

Also, why should they show up at a rally to support Donald Trump if they have really denounced him? So you see, it just makes no sense.

And then there is THIS:

In Trump, the Patriot movement believed it had an ally in the White House for the first time. In 2016, when Trump had warned of election fraud, Rhodes put out a call for members to quietly monitor polling stations. When Trump warned of an invasion by undocumented immigrants, Rhodes traveled to the southern border with an Oath Keepers patrol. He sent members to “protect” Trump supporters from the protesters at his rallies and appeared in the VIP section at one of them, standing in the front row in a black Oath Keepers shirt. When Trump warned of the potential for civil war at the start of the impeachment inquiry last fall, Rhodes voiced his assent on Twitter. “This is the truth,” he wrote. “This is where we are.”

https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2020/11/right-wing-militias-civil-war/616473/

So you see the problem: your posts are full of rubbish and it just took me half an hour of my life to research and then debunk it.

But you never acknowledge that you have posted bullsh!t, you just move on to the next piece of crazy. It's tiring tbh and there is nothing in it for the greater good.

Can you at least now confirm which democratic policies are communist or socialist ACCORDING TO THE ACCEPTED DEFINITION OF COMMUNISM AND SOCIALISM?

Cheers.

[Svensson]

I wouldn't just label them fake news, I would provide data and information to debunk your statements and THEN call them fake news.

[Ally]

Pcudunn "Celee, they WERE NOT "good people with good intentions!" They weren't tourists on an unscheduled sightseeing trip, either"

Do you think that all the people who showed up in Washington on January 6th to support the President were there to overthrow the government? A million people traveled to Washington a couple of hundred rioted. To label, all Trump supporter's insurrectionist is ignorant and divisive. That is what Democrats do they divide the country and preach hate to take away the focus on their horrible policies. I am sure you are a good person but not all Trump supporters are insurrectionists do not fall for that divisive Democrat establishment narrative.

I do not post sources because you would just claim my sources are fake news. This is not my first go-around with you, Svensson.

Ally, the big difference between Democrats and Republicans. Republicans feel Democrats are people with bad ideas. Democrats feel Republicans are bad people. A very dangerous viewpoint to have. You continue to insult people who express a different opinion and I will continue to be polite it really makes no difference to me.

See, you have AGAIN said horseshit like "a million people traveled to DC" when that it demonstrably false. And democrats dont' think REpublicans are bad people. Many people think people like you who keep LYING in the face of actual fact and supporting false narratives despite actual FACT are bad people.


I don't think Republicans are bad people. I think Trumpers are bad people. Let's see why that is. Trump called the white supremacists in Charlottesville "good people". You can't support and advocate white supremacy and be a good person. Period. Trump bragged about committing sexual assault and getting away with it because he was famous. You can't support a proud rapist and be a good person. Trump cheated every business he ever was in and bankrupted many small businesses when he cheated them in deals. Bad person. He wished a sex trafficker "all the best". Bad person. He made fun of disabled people. Bad person. He's literally repulsive in every way. He abused and raped his former wife. Bad person.

People who support him AREN'T good people. Which has nothing to do with Republican politics. You can be a Republican and not support Trump. It's not a requirement. Supporting Trump, means you are degenerate morally. It has nothing to do with politics. It has to do with character. And brains. Or rather, the lack of both.

[celee]

Pcudunn "Celee, they WERE NOT "good people with good intentions!" They weren't tourists on an unscheduled sightseeing trip, either"

Do you think that all the people who showed up in Washington on January 6th to support the President were there to overthrow the government? A million people traveled to Washington a couple of hundred rioted. To label, all Trump supporter's insurrectionist is ignorant and divisive. That is what Democrats do they divide the country and preach hate to take away the focus on their horrible policies. I am sure you are a good person but not all Trump supporters are insurrectionists do not fall for that divisive Democrat establishment narrative.

I do not post sources because you would just claim my sources are fake news. This is not my first go-around with you, Svensson.

Ally, the big difference between Democrats and Republicans. Republicans feel Democrats are people with bad ideas. Democrats feel Republicans are bad people. A very dangerous viewpoint to have. You continue to insult people who express a different opinion and I will continue to be polite it really makes no difference to me.

[Pcdunn]

Celee, they WERE NOT "good people with good intentions!" They weren't tourists on an unscheduled sightseeing trip, either.

I sat here and watched the footage that day and cried. How DARE Americans storm the symbol of our government and call out for blood! The woman who got killed was breaking and entering an off-limits area. She was not a martyr.

I'm a Dem, but I was raised to love America. My late mother (who was born in 1920, making her one of the Greatest Generation) always told me, "The United States has its problems, but it is the best country we have."

I was born in 1955, so I remember the Generation Gap and seeing campus protests on the TV news , along with the Vietnam War. I don't think what happened last January can be called a "protest". They looked like a stampede of aged rock and roll fans, frankly, and were just as destructive.

"Insurrection" suits me just fine as a term for it.

Pat D. (for once, glad I haven't used Twitter in months).